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Jeroen Piket vs Vladimir Kramnik
Amber Tournament (Rapid) (1999) (rapid), Monte Carlo, rd 7, Mar-23
Semi-Slav Defense: Stoltz Variation (D45)  ·  1-0

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Mar-15-07  Sam the sacrificer: Hi,

Instead of 28...c4, would 28...Qf8 have been better since it keeps an eye on h6?

Mar-15-07  Murphyman: Got the key move in a few seconds as it mirrorored a game where I mated black on g7 with a Q&R battery following his queen taking a "poisoned rook" on h1 and I played e5 to cause interference on the a1 h8 diagonal. Took me 2-3 mins to work out that there were no traps.
Mar-15-07  rookattack: why does kramnik play 18...gxf6 instead of Bxf6??? doesnt it open the g-file and cause all the problems in the endgame...
Mar-15-07
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  tamar: <rookattack> Kramnik was probably jumping out of the frying pan into the fire trying to avoid the passive position he gets after

18...Bxf6 19 Nd5 Qe5 20 Nxf6+ Qxf6 21 Bg2

when White is getting ready to play b4 and give Black a bad bishop on b7.

Mar-15-07
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  juan31: What about 31……c3 ?
Mar-15-07  beginner64: I did not get the f8-e7/d6-d8 part, which I think is the key.

One question: what is Kramnik's reason for 18. ..gxf6, instead of Bxf6? For his rook to potentially use the g file?

Also, I think Piket's small knight maneouver c3 - d5 - e3 was nice, which I may have missed OTB. Definitely established the knight much closer to action.

Mar-15-07  fragile: <MostlyAverageJoe> That explanation you gave about the way you solved it was very helpful.

I saw e5 and the response Qg6 and gave up thinking that black could continue defending with his queen. I totally missed seeing blacks advantage with pawns on the king side and therefore didn't realize the draw itself is good if white didn't have a win.

Nice to see the solution in terms of a better players view of the position. Very instructive! Thanks!

Mar-15-07  greensfield: <31.e5> blocks Blacks Bishop from the defence to threaten a mate sequence <.Qxf6+ ...Qg7 .Qxg7#>

If Black tries to block with <31...Qg6> White swings the attack round the pawn twin <32.Qf8+ Qg8 33.Qe7 (maintaining the mate sequence threat)>

Now the Black Queen can't cover White's twin threat against the King:-

(a) along the back rank with<.Qd7> and

(b) along the long diagonal with <.Qxf6> at the same time.

Mar-15-07  MostlyAverageJoe: <juan31: What about 31……c3 ?>

32 ♕xf6+ ♕g7 33 ♕xg7#

The above is the 2-move mate via Qxf6 I mentioned earlier.

<fragile> You're welcome.

Mar-15-07
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  juan31: Thank you “ MostlyAverageJoe”
Mar-15-07  Eurotrash: easy for a thursday. or maybe I'm getting better?
Mar-15-07
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  gawain: <jahhaj: First impression was, what an easy puzzle for Thursday, but that was before I'd solved it.>

Exactly!

Mar-15-07  Marmot PFL: Pleasant position for white as he can play e5 with the draw in hand if need be. Trading rooks seemed very bad for black leaving the back row exposed. Kramnik underestimated the attacking potential of the Q + N against a weakened king position, as he also did in this game - <Deep Fritz vs Kramnik, 2006;
Mar-15-07
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  swiss.pawn: I found up to 33.Qd6 Qg6, but then failed to see Qd8. Instead I played 34.Ne7, which leads to interesting complications as it gives black a short counter attack, but would still win: ... Qb1+ 35.Kg2 Qc2+ 36.Kh3, now
either .. h5 37.Qd8+ Kh7 38.Qg8+ Kh6 39. Qf8+ Kh7 40. Qxf7+ Kh6 41. Ng8 mate. or ... Bxe5 37.Qd8+ Kg7 38.Qg8+ Kh6 39. Qf8+ Kh5 40. Qxf7+ Kh6 41. Ng8 mate. Rather more complicated than the text.
Mar-15-07  Marco65: I solved it in an absurd way: 33.Qd6 Qg6 34.Ne7 (missing Qd8+). Wins although doesn't mate.
Mar-15-07  ahmadov: I could not find the solution :( (Probably because I am becoming lazy after working hours and always rush for finding the solution in the actual game... I should change this tendency...)
Mar-15-07  Rubenus: This week's theme is: 'Easy puzzles'.
I scored 4/4.
Mar-15-07  kevin86: The first move was easy-it was dealing with the dances of the two queens that made it hard. Whiute needed to do two things: block the bishop from f6-and then-find ca way to check at f6 with the black ♕ at g8 and ♔ at h8. Black tries to escape,but the monarchs are forced to their fatal spots by white's pieces.
Mar-15-07  MostlyAverageJoe: <everyone who found this puzzle easy>

OK, so what should've black played in move 28? <Sam the sacrificer> proposed 28...Qf8 - looks good, as it prevents white queen's excursion to h6. But now the white can permanently chase the bishop away from the long diagonal, and try to clean up the queen's side black pawns; perhaps something like 24. f4 Bc5 25. Qd7 Bd8 26. Qb7, threatening a6 and b5 pawns.

My SigmaChess could not find the correct line after 29.Qh6 in the position from the game, so it's lack of ideas after 28...Qf8 is not conclusive.

Mar-15-07  TrueBlue: I have found the first move in 18 consecutive puzzles and counting ...
Mar-15-07  dramas79: I found this difficult to crack. I even wondered whether it is white to play and draw!
Mar-15-07  YouRang: The first couple of moves were easy. But my head started spinning when I tried to consider all of the variations after that (I missed how effective 33. Qe7 was).

It looked to me like black would have time to move his h-pawn and relieve the pressure on his king, but now I see that white still mates by capturing Qxf6+ and Qh6#. Good puzzle.

Mar-15-07  consul: Good manouvre, not so easy... even if at a first glance i thought to have found entirely...
Mar-15-07  schnarre: Even I saw this one (despite poor sleep)...
Mar-15-07  Themofro: the first move of e5 is easy, its the maneuvering of the queen to d8 with check that makes this a thursday.
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