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Jose Raul Capablanca vs Alexander Alekhine
"Roamin' Orthodox" (game of the day Nov-18-2016)
Capablanca - Alekhine World Championship Match (1927), Buenos Aires ARG, rd 11, Oct-07
Queen's Gambit Declined: Cambridge Springs Variation (D52)  ·  0-1



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Sep-16-16  Marmot PFL: <Its probably a bad idea to nominate yourself for an award, but I may as well go ahead and do it. This may be the finest and most thorough job of annotating a chess game anywhere on the Internet. If you know of a better job ... one where the author was at least a Master and spent perhaps 2000 hours (or more) working on the game ... be sure to let me know!! Otherwise, until I see proof of a better job, than I nominate this game as:

The Best Annotated Chess Game on the Internet! >

yeah sure, 2000 hours is a 8 hour workday, 5 days a week for a solid year (with 2-week vacation), just on one game?

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  devere: <aliejin: The rules of London (unilaterally dictated by the world champion, as was the custom at the time), they were terrible for aspirant. You had to get a lot of money.>

This is often-repeated nonsense. In fact the London rules called for a purse that was half what Capablanca himself had raised to challenge Lasker. And quite obviously it also didn't require a return match if the champion lost, as Alekhine did when he played Euwe. Alekhine was a great chess player, but not a great person.

Nov-18-16  offramp: Today's title, "Roamin' Orthodox" seems to be a pun on "Roman Orthodox" although I do not know what a Roman Orthodox might be. Is it a font?

Great game, though, one of the all-time greats. Capablanca built up a huge position out of the opening.

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But he now played 26. Ng4. 26. Nc4! would have been quite a lot better, After that Alekhine got himself back into the game and went on to win.

The kibitzing for this game explains all its fine points, but only read every third kibitz.

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  beatgiant: <offramp>
The obvious interpretation is that Capablanca was the Roman (Catholic) and Alekhine was the (Eastern) Orthodox. But, would make fun of religious designations? Say it isn't so!
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  beatgiant: <offramp> Or maybe the Roamin' Orthodox is Alekhine's king's bishop, which "strays" from the Orthodox Defense move (...Be7) and roams from f8 to b4, e7, g5, h6, g7 before finally exchanging on f6.
Nov-18-16  offramp: <beatgiant> it could be that this is a QGD Orthodox Defence but it roamed away from the standard lines.

There is no Roman Orthodox church or font, or church with font, but there is a <Romanian Orthodox> Church and I've met both of them.

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  kevin86: white will be mated by black's other queen
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  Johnnysaysthankyou: @Allejin, I suspect the opposite. SOMEONE in Argentina had a beef with Capablanca and believed in Alekhine. Who it was, may never be known.
Dec-05-17  Howard: Given the complexities of this game, one wonders what the silicon grandmasters may have found in it, which others may have missed.
Dec-05-17  morfishine: <offramp> Yes, Capa had the opportunity to place a Knight on <d6> which practically forces Black into a defensive exchange sac. For all intents and purposes, Black acquiesces to a desperate defense.

But alas, this didn't happen


Dec-05-17  Howard: At what move did this take place ?
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  maxi: Perhaps someone can help me. Where is it that Capa comments on this game? Another thing, I think I remember, but I am not sure, I may be confused, that Capablanca said that he was mystified by losing this game, because in similar positions with the white pawn in f6 he had always won. Is there any source citing this?
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  maxi: Alekhine has 26.Ng4, 32.Nf6+, 47.Qd7, and 60.a5 as Capa's blunders.
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  maxi: The complexity of the endgame after 39.KxB is mind-boggling. There are so many tactics! No wonder two geniuses like Capa and Alehine had so much trouble with it OTB.
Mar-24-18  Chess for life: Probably my favorite ending to a chess game of all time.
Aug-24-18  WorstPlayerEver: Crucial game, where Capa seems a bit timid:

18. e4 a5 19. bxa5 bxa5 20. e5 Nd5 21. Ne4 Rb8 22. Ned6 Bd7 23. g3 Rf8 24. Bg2 f5 25. Rd3

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Aug-25-18  WorstPlayerEver: 41. Kg1 Rc6 42. Kg2 Qd5+ 43. Kg1 Rb6 44. Re1 Kh7 45. Rc1 Rc6 46. Rb1 Qd8 47. Rb5 Rxf6 48. Rc5 Qd6 49. Qxc4 Qd1+ 50. Qf1 Qxa4 51. Qe1=

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Aug-25-18  WorstPlayerEver: PS NB pawn f6 is untouchable:

41. Kg1 Rc6 42. Kg2 Qxf6 43. Qxf6 Rxf6 44. Re8+ Kg7 45. Rc8

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  whiteshark: <56.Qxc3??>

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56...Qf2+ 57.Kh1 Rb8 58.Rb4 Rd8 59.Rb1 Rd2 60.Qxd2 Qxd2 ...that should do

Dec-26-18  DonChalce: i wished i could see Alekhine's notes for this game. if there were any.
Dec-26-18  Howard: Well, the game is included in Volume 2 of Alekhine's famous two-volume work.

Kasparov also covers the game in MGP.

Apr-28-20  joddon: purely carefully articulated Queen moves....regular players play few queen moves....these two guys have a mad queen fight from the beginning to the end......
Sep-15-21  Stanco: 47.Rd7 is a draw
47...Qxf2+ 48. Kh1 Qa2 49.Rd8+ Rxd8 50.Qd8+ Kh7 51.Qf8 and black can't capture f6 pawn

or 47...Rf8 48.a5 Qa5 49.Ra7 Qd5 50.Rd7 where all what's left for black is the threefold repetition because of the Qxf8+ threat followed with the rook to 8th rank mate

Feb-25-22  N.O.F. NAJDORF: <Stanco: 47.Rd7 is a draw>

I thought black might be able to win by playing 47 ... Qe6, but that too does seem to lead to a draw:

47. Rd7 Qe6 48. Rd8+ Rxd8 49. Qxd8+ Kh7 50. Qe7 c2 51. Qc5 Qe2 52. Qe7 Qe6 53. Qc5 Qe2 54. Kg2 Qe4+ 55. Kh2 Qe2

<or 47...Rf8 48.a5 Qa5 49.Ra7 Qd5 50.Rd7 [leading to a threefold repetition]>

How about

47... Rf8 48. a5 Qxa5 49. Rc7

winning the c-pawn?

It still looks like a draw, though.

For example

47. Rd7 Rf8 48. a5 Qxa5 49. Rc7 Qa4 50. Rxc3 Ra8 51. Rc7 Qa2 52. Qe3 Kh7

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  plang: In game 7 Alekhine had played 8..0-0 and Capablanca had gone on to win. here Alekhine varied with 8..dxc. 12 Be2 was new; 12 Rc1 had been played previously. Instead of 26 Ng4?! Alekhine recommended 26 Nc4..Bg7 27 e5..h5 28 Nd6..Rxd6 29 exd..Qxd6 30 Qc4 with advantage to White. Kasparov:"It is significant that Capablanca underestimated the latent dynamics of this position and nethertheless was unable to prevent ..c6..c5. In this match he generally sensed dynamics worse than his opponent and played more static chess, trying to break up large-scale problems into small ones and to solve them easily by parts." After 45..Kg8 Capablanca spent an hour and five minutes. A pretty variation would have been 58 g4..c2! 59 Qxc2..Re8! 60 Qc7 (60 Rxe8..hxg#) 60..hxg+ 61 Rxg4..Re3+ 62 Rg3..Qh1+ 63 Kg4..Re4+ and wins.

This was a great struggle despite the errors.

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