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| Mar-07-12 | | Crispy Seagull: White is up material, but it seems he may be about to lose his queen [or get mated]. 39... Rxg2 compels the king to move on to a square that pins his defensive knight. Kh1 allows Qxf1. 40. Kxg2 Qxh4 drops white's queen and leaves black looking pretty good. I'd think a resignation by white would be appropriate on the 41st move. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | haydn20: I got this in a minute, so it must be too easy. If we could pry the N away from the Q or pin it, then Qxh4 wins. But White threatens Qh8+ so we need a check. Thus, 32...Rxg2+ 33. Kxg2 Qxh4 wins. <FSR> asks a good q: How did White manage to lose this? Might be worth taking a look at. |
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Mar-07-12
 | | LoveThatJoker: 39...Rxg2+ 40. Kxg2 (40. Kh1 Qxf1+ 41. Ng1 Qxg1#) 40...Qxh4 and there is no satisfactory defence to the upcoming ...Qg4+ and/or winning the N on f3 outright. Black wins. LTJ |
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Mar-07-12
| | LoveThatJoker: Sunday, March 4th
What more can one say about Tal? He's truly one of the greats. An Olympian as it regards Chess' greatest masters. <22. Nxf7 Kxf7>
[22...Nxd5 23. cxd5 Kxf7 (23...Qxf4 24. Rf3 Qxf7 25. Rxf7+ Kxf7 26. Qe6+ Kf8 27. Qxg6  ) 24. Rb3! Qd4/Qa4 (24...Qxf4 25. Rf3 ) 25. Qe6+ Kf8 26. Rf3 winning] <23. Rb3 Qa4>
(23...Nxd5 24. cxd5 wins for White as already demonstrated) <24. Rb7! Qxa2>
(24...Rab8 25. b3! Qa3 26. Bc1 Qxc1 27. Rxe7+ Rxe7 28. Qxe7+ Kg8 29. Rxc1 ; 24...Nxd5 25. Qe6+ Kf8 26. Qxd5 and White has restored material parity, has an attack, threats on e7 and d6, and a better position overall) <25. Qe6+ Kf8 26. Bxd6> and White wins due to all the threats along the seventh rank and his excellent piece coordination. LTJ |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Crispy Seagull: Qh4 really is a horrible blunder for White. As others have said, it looks pretty good on its face, threatens mate if the rook wanders, has threatening checking implications, suggests a trade, all good stuff. And a shame as white played a good game up to that point. In fact, I'm curious about the rationale behind black's bishop sac, or if that was just a blunder as well. Does anyone see a tactic behind dropping the bishop? To me, black would seem to have lucked out bigtime in this one. |
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Mar-07-12
| | LoveThatJoker: Right on! I'm so glad to have got this right. I noticed that Tal went for 24. Qe6+ first, I had however done enough work on my sub-variations to feel confident this wasn't a critical move. All that being said, I'm checking White's 24th with Stockfish as I write these words and thankfully have confirmation that 24. Rb7 is prefered (+3.23) to 24. Qe6+ (+1.41) So that means that I'm on a 5 straight streak, including today Wednesday March 7th's puzzle. Furthermore, I finished the puzzle week of Feb. 27th to March 4th with 6/7 for a pass! LTJ |
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| Mar-07-12 | | dragon player: The position of the white queen is not optimal. It's only defended by the knight. First I wanted to exploit this by trying
39... Bxf3 40. Qxc4 Rxg2+. I thought this was leading to mate, but it doesn't. My second thought was better: 39... Rxg2+
40.Kxg2 Bxf3+
Now this is check and black wins the queen.
41. Rxf3
Or Kxf3
42... Qxh4
And black has a queen and two pawns for a rook and a piece. This must be right.
Time to check.
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ok, I was not totally right, in the game black also wins the knight, but my continuation is based on the same idea and also
winning, so I think I can give myself the point for today. 3/3 now |
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| Mar-07-12 | | BOSTER: I guess <CG> missed a great chance to test how smart we are. If <CG> gave <POTD> with 39. White to play
,I'm sure that many, who so colorfully critisized white move Qh4, would play exactly this move. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | haydn20: On second look, 13...Qd5 almost rates a ?. Without tactical justification dedveloping the Q before the B's has to be suspect. Later, White should play 16. c4 IMO. Also 34. Qd2 to trade down seems wrong. 34. Bc5 threatens b5 and Bb6 and I can't find anything good for Black. Of course 39. Qh4 loses, but Rd1 at least keeps a material advantage. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Oxspawn: Back from a hard day and coming to this late and tired.
The Black king looks very exposed and given a chance I expect white would want to play Qh8+ with all kinds of unpleasant consequences. If the black rook moves off the seventh rank then Qe7++ ends the game. So black must be looking for checks again. The black queen can only deliver a check by committing suicide, and there does not seem to be a plus side to that. 39. Rxg2+ looks interesting because if 40. KxR, then the Black queen can take the white Queen while the white knight is pinned. On a Monday white might cooperate. But this is Wednesday. 40. Kh1 avoids the pin and leaves black looking like she has started a fight she can’t win. There is no sensible retreat and white’s queen is hanging so why not fight on. 40. Kh1 Rh2+ which is an elegant move because now the rook can be taken in three different ways.
Let’s try them in turn:
41. QxR is a disaster for white. QxR. Is mate I think since the knight is pinned. 41. NxR appears nearly as bad as Black then plays QxQ
What about
41 KxR ……Um. Is swearing allowed on this forum? I was hoping for a sly check along the second rank but Rf2 repulses the black queen and is protected by the white queen. At this stage black might have to ask to take a few moves back. What about
40. Kh1 Rg1+
This looks really stupid, but it cannot be taken by the knight (pinned) or by the rook since BxN+ looks promising for black. But 41. KxR seems just as effective as in the other line. I can’t see anything better than 41. Qg4+ forcing an exchange of queens. That leaves white with rook, knight and bishop plus 2 pawns again black’s bishop and 4 pawns. I think I can say I have thoroughly failed this test. I will post anyway and then go and look at the actual game. After all, winning is over rated. Maybe there are prizes for losing elegantly. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Oxspawn: OK. Now I have seen it, all I can say is Oh dear. I realise that white cannot plan the killer move Kh1 as black can play QxR+ with mate to follow. So much for trying to do this without playing out the moves on a board. Still I did get the right first move, which is not nothing. Better go to read the wisdowm of everyone else. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | benjinathan: <So much for trying to do this without playing out the moves on a board.> Whatever you do don't do that- solving without moving the pieces is the whole point. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Oxspawn: Mostly other people's wisdom seems to boil down to getting it right, which is OK I suppose. Except ONCE, of course, WATCOSH <Who Always Takes Chess Once Step Higher>. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Oxspawn: <Whatever you do don't do that- solving without moving the pieces is the whole point.> Thanks <Benjinathan> but the pieces in my head fly around and won't stay still. It hurts. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | benjinathan: <Oxspawn>
I have the same issue. But really that is the point. I am confident that if you keeping hitting yourself across the brow with the hammer that is doing these puzzles the pain will eventually go away. At least that is what I have been told. |
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Mar-07-12
 | | Penguincw: Nice puzzle! Place the knight in a pin. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Once: <BOSTER> I think you are right, even if you are (as usual) trying to take a pop at me. It is much easier to see a combination when you are about to play it, than it is to see the combination that your opponent will play against you. That's why I rewound the puzzle by one move. To stop us all from getting too smug about spotting 39...Rxg2+ for black, would we have spotted the flaw with 39. Qh4 if we were playing white? I suspect that many players OTB would have walked into this one just as white did. That's why I think all of us need to develop a sense of danger. I always feel nervous about e file attacks until my king is castled. I worry about back rank mates if the pawns in front of my king haven't moved. And I really really don't like leaving my queen staring at the other guy's queen and protected only by a piece. That seems to be just asking to be smacked around the chops with a brilliancy. That's called agreeing with you. Like to try it some time? |
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| Mar-07-12 | | bachbeet: I saw that black would win the queen by checking with the rook by taking that pawn at g2. I think white should have resigned at that point. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | bachbeet: Once: Excellent riposte. Well put and done with class. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Once: <Oxspawn> Here's a technique that helped me in the past. It may be of some use for you ... <benjinathan> is quite right. Even though it is hard, we do need to learn to visualise chess positions several moves on from the position at the board. But your point is also valid. When we are trying to solve a puzzle this can seem to be a bridge too far. We are struggling to work out what to play <and> we've got to remember what the new position looks like several moves ahead. That's when everything goes whirly-beds like when you've had too much wine and the ceiling won't stop revolving. And as every woman I have ever met has eventually told me, we are not very good at multi-tasking. It's hard to do two things at <once> - visualise the position and figure out what to play. So here's the trick that might help. You've now got the answer to today's puzzle. You know what was played and you've worked out why 40. Kh1 doesn't save black. Now is the time to go back to the puzzle position and replay the moves in your head. You're not multi-tasking any more because the problem is solved. Now all you are doing is practising your visualisation. Another way to do this is to read someone else's kibitzing and try to follow their moves from the puzzle position without moving the pieces. You are not trying to analyse these moves, just to picture them. I seem to recall that one child prodigy was taught visualisation by his/her trainer calling out the names of squares (g7, e4, etc) and the player had to point to that square as quickly as possible. I guess this exercise is stripping the skill down to its absolute basics of just visualisation. Because trying to visualise and think at the same time is hard, like trying to pat your head and rub your stomach at the same time. |
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Mar-07-12
 | | chrisowen: Dada the spring gone to arch in jammed.
Have qh4 old up again rookxg2+.
Agape stolen king eta kes low f3 c6 box pin and rock. Black queen slide across wots on sale ma in every 0-1. Really down in advance pine for shale g2 in tight's fix. Cob together in dawn one green cop h4.
Perhaps it should glorify in go at 39.qd2 in big rut h4 choca-blok. Either in got auxillary d2 or b2 queen in opening ti ar amble. In feeling sluggish Zaksaite hear.
Dolly in mix g7 g2 rooks river hang queen in vite man 39...rxg2. In emperor not kh1 nightingale qu in f1 ng1 the wolf at the door. So kxg2 agile leap qxh4 to me catnip you are now asleep step up rook. Chistiakova in bag exchange lawn why one extra 3 more counting checks. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Once: Oops. That should read "why Kh1 doesn't save white". I always knew that black-white colour-blindness was going to be a problem playing chess... |
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| Mar-07-12 | | BlackSheep: Once has it dead right we all see Rxg2 , I think a lot of us would even have seen it while playing and not as just part of a puzzle , but the real question is would you have seen the fatal flaw with Qh4 if you were playing as white . |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Memethecat: <Oxspawn> There's some good advice there. Another visualization technique for beginners I saw recently is to write down 10 squares at random d4, c8, h1 etc, then without looking at a board visualize the colour of the square & write it down beneath your number:
d4=B c8=W h1=W
You get the point.
After you feel this is easy, write another 10 but in groups of 2 & try to work out if both squares are the same colour or different. Its not as easy as it sounds, & you get better at using your mind & nothing else. Also
http://chesstempo.com/ is a good site for easy puzzles, don't worry about the score and set the preferences to easy. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | stst: Got to have a check first, else the Bk Q may be lost without any compensation.
39...... Rxg2+
40.Kxg2 (forced, else if 39...Kh1, 40.Qxf1#) Qxh4
41.Kg1 Qg3+
42.Kh1 Bxf3+
43.Rxf3 Qxf3, and W has a B left, too weak to have any counter... |
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