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Lars Bo Hansen vs Jan Timman
Moscow Olympiad (1994), Moscow RUS, rd 13, Dec-14
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Classical. Noa Variation (E34)  ·  1-0

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Dec-11-07
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  tallinn: Why is it that CG puts Timman on the losing side of its puzzles more often then not?
Dec-11-07  aphasia: Maybe 34. Ne8 after Kh8 instead? And if 34.... g6 then 35. Re7 threatening Qe5+.
Dec-11-07  aphasia: Though Black could play 34.... Nf5 as 35. Rxf5 Rxe8 36. Rxf7 looks roughly even.
Dec-11-07  Manic: <aphasia> That looks alright, but what if black continues 35...Qf5 ? I'm not sure white has much after that. I was thinking 34.Ne8 g6 35.Qf4 with the idea of checking on the long diagonal as well, but also threating h6 and f7.

As for the puzzle, I was also looking for a knight move and took me about half a minute to see Re8 wins

Dec-11-07  aphasia: <Manic> I think you're right. 35. Qf4 looks very strong. Therefore, 34.... Nf5 is preferable to 34.... g6.
Dec-11-07  zenpharaohs: zooter: "After
33 ... Kh8
34.Re8 Rxe8
35.Nxe8 Nf5
36.Qb8 threatening mate with Nf6++ and there seems to be no defence for this"

36 ... Kh7

OK what you got up your sleeve, White? I like Black in that position.

Dec-11-07  Autoreparaturwerkbau: <tallinn> I have the same feeling about ex-Yugoslavians on always-on-the-losing-side in puzzles or in GOTDs.

But then again, i'm not too neutral to judge.

Dec-11-07  zenpharaohs: After

33 ... Kh8

I think probably something like

34 Ne8 Nf5
35 Rxf5 Rxe8
36 Rxf7 Qa1 or Qb1
37 Rb7 Qf6
38 Rxb6 Qf7
39 Rxc6 Qxh5+ (threatens mate)
40 Qh3 Qe5+
41 g3 Qb2
42 Qf5 Qxa3
43 Qf7 Rb8
44 Qf4 Re8
45 Qd4 Kh7

so White doesn't even hold the pawn, but maintains initiative. There is a lot of fencing over possible pawn gains with mating counterthreats in this continuation - it's more interesting than it looks, but I also could have missed something.

Dec-11-07  whitebeach: After 33 . . . Kh8 34. Ne8, black seems to have only three replies against the threat of 35. Qg8# (unless he wants to sac the exchange by 34 . . . Re8 5. Re8+, which is not out of the question): There’s 34 . . . g6, which loses quickly to 35. Qf4. There’s 34 . . . Ne6, which simply loses a piece to 35. Rxe6. That leaves 34 . . . Nf5. As <aphasia> points out, 35. Rxf5 Rxe8 36. Rxf7 is then “roughly even” (although I think I’d rather be playing black in this position).

So is there a win for white after 34 . . . Nf5? I don’t know, and it’s way too late at night for me to try to figure it all out. But 35. Qf4 looks interesting. White has several threats, including not only Rxf5 (which is a little livelier now than before) but also g4 and Nxg7. So now what? For instance, 35 . . . f6 looks weak in light of 36. Nxf6 gxf6 37. Rxf5 etc. Anybody see a good move for black?

Dec-11-07
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  swiss.pawn: I found the same as Dzechiel: 32.Re8+ Rxe8 33.Qd6+ Re7 34.Qd8+ (or Qb8+) Re8 35.Qxe8 mate
Dec-11-07
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  Troller: Heh, I solved this in the weekend. It's featured in Hansen's book on tactics.
Dec-11-07  zenpharaohs: whitebeach: "35. Qf4 looks interesting."

35 ... Qd3

Black doesn't mind the coming exchange.

36 Rxf5 Rxe8
37 Rxf7 Qd5

Pretty close to even.

36 Qxf5 Qxf5
37 Rxf5 Rxe8
38 Rxf7 c5
39 bxc5 bxc5

Not much to see here. I think this one is drawn.

So I think Kh8 leads to the line I previously suggested, and although white is a little better than black, it's close enough that it's beyond me to say.

Dec-11-07  ianD: Took me about 5 seconds.
Nice finish.
Dec-11-07  goldfarbdj: Got a Tuesday quickly for a change.

With Timman losing several puzzles recently, I was wondering if chessgames was going to make Short vs Timman, 1991 this week's Sunday, maybe at white's 31st; but looking at it, I see it was GotD only about a month ago, so I doubt they would use it so soon.

Dec-11-07  sataranj: My line after 33...Kh8

34.Re8+ Rxe8 35.Nxe8 Nf5 36.Qb8 g6 (forced 37.Nf6#) 37.Qe5+ Kh7 38.Qf6 Kg8.. black looks safe enough

Dec-11-07  DuaneTiemann: Why would black leave the c pawn hanging at 10? Why wouldn't white just take it?
Dec-11-07  arnaud1959: <Andoy:> You're right. Young players would beleive that he was a loser which is not true.
Dec-11-07  Kwesi: this took me waay too long to get :/
Dec-11-07  Tacticstudent: A nice Puzzle.
Dec-11-07  zb2cr: Found this one quickly. My thinking process pretty well paralleled that of <dzechiel> and <zooter>.
Dec-11-07
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  johnlspouge: 34. Re8 Rxe8 35. Qd6 Re7 36. Qd8 Rd8 37. Qxd8#

Very pretty. Surprisingly, I felt more comfortable with today's solution than yesterday's. A fast mate always feels right early in the week!

WhiteShark, by the way, thanks for the Louis Armstrong clip on your bio. One of my friends is a fan, and he loved it.

I will put up a bio by the end of the week (although it feels a little like writing my own obit).

Dec-11-07  spacecube: After 34. Re8 there is forced mate

34... Rxe8 (Only move). 35. Qd6+ Re7 36. Qd8+ Re8 37. Nd7+ Kg8 38. Qxe8 mate.

Note that 34. Qxg7+ would be an haronious move, after 34... Kxg7!

Dec-11-07  MaxxLange: <spacecube> 37. Qxe8# is the move. Your line is not mate: 37. Nd7+?? Kg8 38. Qxe8+ Kh7
Dec-11-07  Sydro: I feel a little good for seeing the solution to the checkmate.
Dec-11-07  TheEnterprise: I got it! 2/2 this week. : )
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