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Paul Troeger vs Mikhail Tal
FRG-URS (1960), Hamburg FRG, rd 6, Aug-02
Dutch Defense: Staunton Gambit. General Variation (A83)  ·  0-1



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Jun-05-12  Ghuzultyy: 42 points, finished in 4 minutes.
Aug-14-12  vikram2791: I got 38; I can't adopt to Tal's style.
Aug-17-12  justin2seo: Tal would be proud of me, 53 score.
Sep-01-12  The Last Straw: Got 53 on Guess-The-Move. :-)
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  profK: 10.Bc4 followd by 11.gNe2 looks better for white.
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  perfidious: Tal took on the White side of this variation in Tal vs S Johannessen, 1961, essaying 10.d6, which doesn't look very promising to me either, but White has to find something active, else his lack of a dark-squared bishop will tell once lines are opened on the queenside.
Sep-12-12  WhiteRook48: Against the Dutch, I usually play 2 Bg5, and it usually works pretty well. I've never understood why people play anything else against the Dutch Defense, can anyone help clarify for me?

Signed, A Confused Noob

Dec-12-12  Llawdogg: Sort of a windmill there at the end.
Jul-16-13  PlayboyChess6: 52 in 5 minutes -
i play in Tal-style
Jul-30-13  justin2seo: i love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love love tal..
Aug-10-13  CapnSaltine: I scored 46, this being my first Guess the Move game. However, I have to admit, knowing it is a puzzle makes one think differently and take more chances. Perhaps that is Tal's style anyway, but I doubt I would have the gonads to play this way in a tournament game.
Aug-10-13  PlayboyChess6: i played my best tournament game
4 the memory of Tal:

PlayboyChess6(1665) vs
Otto Nemeth (1858)
Date: 07.05.2012
Event: FSMB May 2012, Budapest HUN
Round: 3
Result: 1-0
Opening: Sicilian Defence, Richter-
Rauzer Variation, Classical Variation

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6
5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 e6 7.Qd2 Be7 8.O-O-O
O-O 9.f4 a6 10.Be2 Qc7 11.Bf3 Rd8
12.g4 h6 13.Bxf6 Bxf6 14.Nde2 b5
15.Rdg1 g5 16.h4 gxf4 17.g5 hxg5
18.Qxf4 Bg7 19.Qxg5 f6 20.Qg2 Ne5
21.h5 Kh7 22.h6 Bh8 23.Rh5 Qf7
24.Rh3 Rg8 25.Qg7+ Rxg7 26.hxg7+ 1-0

Nov-05-13  chesswarmup: scored 46 in this.
Mar-24-14  Balmo: 55 on guess-the-move, although I took my time with it. dxc6 on move 12 for white seems like a mistake to me - helping Black resolve the problem of his bishop on e7. 14.Qe4 - the "fork" seems to run into difficulties after Tal's excellent Ne5. White's pieces are still sleeping after so many pawn and queen moves in the opening. And after Qd1 Qxa2, it's basically all over. Funny, Tal's opening isn't convincing either, but he seizes the initiative and never lets go.
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  Domdaniel: I see that a number of players are saying things like "I'm not familiar with the Dutch", and so on. Whatever the opening, this is nothing to be proud of -- you should at least try to have a broad familiarity with all openings.

Of course, I admit there are openings that I've never played in competitive games. I've played both sides of the Dutch - but I have never played a Ruy Lopez, as either Black or White.

Can't talk, can I?

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  perfidious: <Balmo....dxc6 on move 12 for white seems like a mistake to me - helping Black resolve the problem of his bishop on e7....>

The problem is that if White retreats the queen, there eventually follows ....f5 and the bishop at e7 is far from a problem piece: indeed, a dangerous long-term feature of the position for White is that he no longer even has a pretence of an initiative in return for the cession of the dark-squared bishop, whose opposite number becomes the best minor piece on the board.

<....Tal's opening isn't convincing either....>

This method against the Staunton is perfectly playable.

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  Domdaniel: <WhiteRook48> - <Against the Dutch, I usually play 2 Bg5, and it usually works pretty well. I've never understood why people play anything else against the Dutch Defense, can anyone help clarify for me?>

An excellent question. I regularly play the Dutch, and I don't think anyone has played 2.Bg5 against me ... but this is because I play the move order 1.d4 e6 2.c4 f5 (or 2.Nf3/g3 f5), which avoids most of the anti-Dutch lines like 2.Bg5. I used to think that it avoided all of them, until somebody sprang the Korchnoi Gambit on me (1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 f5 3.h3 Nf6 4.g4).

I think 2.Bg5 (like the h3 gambit and other anti-Dutch variations) is a very good way of playing against the Dutch. As White, I've played the Lisitsyn Gambit (1.Nf3 f5 2.e4) and the slower version with 2.d3. Basically, anything that hits the positional weaknesses of the Dutch, as early as possible, is best for White - for if Black is allowed to carry out his plan he'll be fine. However, the 2.Bg5 idea is quite new. I used to have a 1970s book on the Classical Dutch, by Bellin, and he paid almost no attention to 2.Bg5. More recent works, eg by Andrew Martin, remedied that. A lot of 1.d4 players have a development plan in mind, which they'll try to carry out against any black system. Many distrust sharp lines like 2.Bg5. That may be your answer. One day, however, I'd like to try a line advocated by Simon Williams (in 'Dangerous Weapons: the Dutch): 1.d4 f5 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bh4 g5 4.e4 Rh7 ... fun and games, eh?

Jul-06-14  prosperov: wow i enjoyed using this feature for the first time. To say Tal was brilliant is an understatement
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  eternaloptimist: <PlayboyChess6: 52 in 5 minutes - i play in Tal-style> Really? I don't see how this could be a true statement. It would be next to impossible for even a GM to score that many points in only 5 minutes...LOL!!
Sep-27-14  RandomWords: Tal seems to come out worse out of the opening, getting into a cramped position. Then, starting with 10. g4 White tries to play fancy instead of finishing the developement of its pieces and the tables quickly turn.
Dec-22-21  Zugzwangovich: Hilary Thomas' collection of Tal games for 1960-66 concludes this affair with the following parenthetical note: 22 Ke2 Re8+ 23. Kf3 Rxe1!

Was that exclam meant to be some kind of joke? Is Rxe1 better than Qxe1 for some reason?

Dec-23-21  Zugzwangovich: I'd have had the same reaction if some annotator had affixed an ! to Fischer's last move in his 1956 Byrne briiliancy: Was that exclam meant to be some kind of joke? Is Rc2 mate better than Ba3 mate for some reason?
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  ClassZPlaya: scored 42 ... I had a lot of difficulties in the opening as I don't play the Dutch. The 8. ... Be7 and 9. ... d6 plan did not see very "Tal-like" to me so I tried 8. ... b6
Nov-18-22  Chesschronicle22: Some people think 14. Bc4+ is a good move, if Nxc4 than 15. Qxc6 hitting both rook and knight, plus after the exchange, white will have an extra pawn. It would be a good move if it wasn't for 15. .... Ba6 protecting tge knight and rook, while the bishop itself is protected by the queen (or just declining and moving the king away, lame)
Feb-01-23  Chesschronicle22: Somehow got 45 LoL
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