| Aug-01-04 | | who: Can someone please explain why not 3 ...Nxe4? |
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Aug-01-04
 | | Sneaky: My guess is that score is mixed up and Shirov really played Nc3 before e4 like any sane person would. |
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| Sep-28-07 | | Fysh: 3...Nxe4 grabs a pawn, but it may not be that simple. I once played 3.e4 by accident in a game. My opponent took the pawn, and somehow I gained a tempo and got a good attack going against black's castled king. [Just for the record I have to say I'm not a great player - nor was my opponent] Also consider that by playing 3...Nxe4 you are throwing all your preparation out of the window. Do you really want to do that, when actually you like the positions you get in the normal lines? |
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| Jul-11-09 | | ColonelFearguson: I agree with Sneaky about e4. I guess another transposition is with moves 8 and 9 of White. It should have been 8.d5 Ne7 9.b4 Nh5. |
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| Aug-29-09 | | WhiteRook48: 3...Nxe4 allows too much of an attack
also consider after 3...Nxe4 white can play 4 Bd3 with extra tempo |
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| Nov-05-10 | | swr: Shirov might have prepared some trap for 3...Nxe4, plus in a blitz game you hardly want to go out of book that early and lose precious time. |
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Feb-28-22
 | | FSR: 3.e4?? is a horrific blunder, hanging a center pawn for nothing. So too is 3...Bg7??, failing to take the free pawn. At the time this game was played, Shirov and Polgar were 2 of the top 20 players on Earth. http://fidelists.blogspot.com/2008/... As such, it is very unlikely that they played this double blunder. It is much more likely that Shirov instead played the standard 3.Nc3 and only then 4.e4. (The score given here has those moves the other way around.) Note that Opening Explorer shows that 3.e4?? was played only thrice. The other two games were both the same game, Orienter-Albero, Madrid 1974. I'm not even sure why Opening Explorer shows White playing 3.e4 in both iterations of the game, since one of them, K Orienter vs R Toran Albero, 1971, in fact features the standard 3.Nc3, not 3.e4. I believe that the other version, K Orienter vs R Toran Albero, 1971, also has an erroneous score, and hence have also submitted a correction slip for that game. Note that 3.Nc3 and other third moves besides 3.e4?? were played almost 62,000 times, as opposed to twice (supposedly) for 3.e4?? Even patzers don't play 3.e4?? As such, the game score for this game should be corrected to reflect that White played 3.Nc3 and 4.e4, not 3.e4 and 4.Nc3. Correction slip submitted. |
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Feb-28-22
| | FSR: The moves 8.b4?? Ne7?? are also nonsensical. White hangs a pawn with 8.b4?? Black, rather than taking it, retreats her knight even though it wasn't attacked. Again, these were 2 of the top 20 players on the planet. Such players rarely play ridiculous blunders, let alone a pair of such blunders by both players. Opening Explorer shows that White played 8.b4?? only once (this game), and played other moves 6,500 times. About 91% of the time, White played 8.d5. For these reasons, it is very likely that the actual sequence was 8.d5 (as I say, the move played 91% of the time) Ne7 (retreating the attacked knight) 9.b4 (a common and critical move, initiating the Bayonet Attack). This was a blitz game, so neither of the players would have been writing down the moves. Evidently whatever third person did so made an error. Correction slip submitted. |
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