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| Dec-14-04 | | drukenknight: the only thing worse than losing this from the black side is losing it from the white side. I have experienced both. when white gets a very active queen on say f3, it is very difficult to play. a surprising number of white players will push the g pawn to g5 after: 2...Nf6 3 g4 and the N goes d5-f4 sometimes. THere are other N tricks you can do when they support each other. Hmm I have some notes on that too. |
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| Dec-14-04 | | Knight13: What's with 2. Kf7? |
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| Dec-14-04 | | drukenknight: Here is an example w/ the chesslab computer where it goes wrong for white. Often times I have seen white start a q side pawn storm, only to have black come down the open a file w/ a diagonal attacker helping. one incredible game white was only one move from mate, but I sacked the Q on h1, the pawn gave check on g2, queened on g1 w/ check and mated on h1, boy was that guy mad! I cant remember that one, but this game uses a similar idea w/ open b file, anyhow it shows some typical tactics in this so it may be of use: 1. e4 f5
2. exf5 Nf6
3. Be2 Rg8
4. Nf3 Nc6
5. d4 d6
6. Nh4 g5
7. fxg6 hxg6
8. d5 Nb4
9. Nc3 e5
10. dxe6 Bxe6
11. O-O Qd7
12. Bb5 c6
13. a3 cxb5
14. axb4 a6
15. Bg5 Bg7
16. Nxg6 Nh7
17. Qh5 Bxc3
18. Nh8+ Bf7
19. Qxh7 Bxh8
20. Qe4+ Be5
21. f4 Be6
22. fxe5 Rxg5
23. exd6 O-O-O
24. Rxa6 Kb8
25. Rb6 Bd5
26. Qe2 Rxg2+
27. Qxg2 Bxg2
28. Ra1 Qg4
29. Ra3 and black mates in 5 |
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| Dec-14-04 | | aw1988: Boy, what a death wish. |
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| Dec-14-04 | | sandyobrien: pretty crumby player, but i like his name |
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| Dec-14-04 | | drukenknight: this is perhaps a more realistic example of stuff that typically happens in this. This from a little while ago on ICC. 1. e4 f5
2. exf5 Nf6
3. d4 d6 (there are a few games in cheslab data base w/ ...d5)
4. Bd3 Nc6
5. Nf3 Rg8
6. Nc3 Bd7
7. O-O Qc8
8. Bc4 Rh8
9. d5 Ne5
10. Bb3 Nxf3+
11. Qxf3 Bxf5
12. Re1 Bg4
13. Qe3 Kd8
black has done well to reach a still somewhat difficult position. |
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| Feb-02-05 | | schnarre: <Catfriend> I've seen 1. e4 f5 2. exf5 Nf6 3.d4 b6 played. The player won 3 games & had 2 drawn games vs. 1 loss. I don't remember much about these games (never have record sheets when you need them). I recall the player would essay a later ...Kf7, usually within the next 5 moves, & later he would have the King at f8. I have to agree with the consensus of 2...Nf6 being necessary for Black (...Kf7,...g6, ...e5!?, & others not working out very well for me). |
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Feb-13-05
 | | ketchuplover: Sorry everyone but imo the true FRED involves 2...Kf7 I beat Bobby Fischer in his prime with it.
really?
No,I just thought it sounded cool.
Seriously I have won a couple games with it. I've also lost too BION :) |
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| Aug-26-05 | | DanRoss53: Winning with "The Fred": O Bernstein vs Duras, 1938 |
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| Dec-14-05 | | KingG: What is this nonsense?! |
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| Jan-10-06 | | THE pawn: euhhh....no? |
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| Jan-11-06 | | schnarre: <DanRoss53>Hmmnnnn...interesting. |
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| Mar-23-06 | | EmperorAtahualpa: I hear this opening is called the "Fred". Which Fred though? Fred Flintstone? He would love this opening, I'm sure. :) |
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Apr-01-06
 | | Pawn and Two: This game was one of 16 blindfold games played simultaneously by Pillsbury at the Cercle Philidor in Paris, France, on June 21, 1902. Pillsbury's score was +10-1=5.
Inexperienced players often believe that unusual openings or moves may confuse the blindfold player. This may be the reason for Magagna's choice of opening. Obviously it was not a wise choice. |
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| Feb-14-07 | | PinkCat: I have a hunch that this "Magana" fellow afraid of Pillsbury's strength, and try to avoid opening traps, going for unexplored opening systems? :-) |
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Nov-25-07
| | ketchuplover: I'm currently playing The Fred in a game at atlanticgames.net I've won a bishop and trapped a queen in 11 moves. Not bad eh? :) |
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| Nov-25-07 | | Jim Bartle: I'd be interested to see if I could beat a GM with white after 1. e4 f5 2. exf5 Kf7. Looks like playing a piece down. |
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| May-08-08 | | robinpark98: The Fred Defense, 1. e4 f5 is a terrible opening. I recommend the Guioco Piano or Philidor Defense. |
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| Mar-16-12 | | YoungEd: Where is <IPlaytheFred> when you need him? And by the way, does anyone know why this is called the "Fred?" |
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| Mar-16-12 | | ephesians: Black certainly waved a red flag in front of the bull in this game. |
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| Sep-28-12 | | billyhan: "Hmmmm... Let me see... Now, how 'Magana fool this guy with the blindfold?"... |
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| Sep-03-14 | | theodosius: B00 is right. B00 Magana. B00! |
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| Sep-03-14 | | RookFile: Black might have been a kid. Who knows? Imagine being a kid and having the privilege of playing Pillsbury in a simul. It's about the only explanation I can come up for black's play. |
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Jun-13-22
 | | Joshka: What should white play on 6...Nc6!? |
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| Apr-19-25 | | Granny O Doul: One night on the old ICC, I was playing 1 0 vs. that guest who pretended to be Fischer. One game debuted 1. e4 f5 2. exf5 Kf7 3. Nf3 Kf6 4. d4 Kxf5 5. Ne5 Kf6 6. Bg5+. The joker did win most of the time, but this was a bit too much, even for "Ass-am-a, from Brooklyn". |
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