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Dec-23-07 | | Chesstalesfan: I saw the e6 but only this. I was late to join you today trying to solve the ..insane sudoku of Sundays Sydsvenskans newspaper. I did not count with the 1..Nb6 answer of the black neither with the insane Bxg7 which has followed. Any helping hand from our outstanding analyzers? |
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Dec-23-07 | | Alphastar: Lots of first moves are possible here, but I think I've found the starting move so I'll give it a try. 1. Nd6 Bxd6
when 1. ..Rc8 is not really an option I think, due to 2. Nxf7! Kxf7 3. Ba2+ Ke7 4. e6 with a crushing attack. 2. e6!?
this really opens up the bishops to black's king. in case black doesn't take on e6, 3. exf7+ draws out the king just like in the note after 1. ..Rc8. 2. ..Rxe6
3. Rxe6 fxe6
4. Bxg6
Still a pawn down and the attack has died off a little, I probably don't have the right first moves anyway. Time to check. |
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Dec-23-07
 | | alexrawlings: Wouldn't this attack have broken down if black had played 26. Bxg7? |
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Dec-23-07 | | Sularus: <alexrawlings>
i think white will respond with
27. exf7+ Kxf7
28. Nd6 winning.
but i'm just a patzer. =) |
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Dec-23-07 | | Samagonka: I like Bxg6! Nunn clearly has the upper hand in this game since he manoeuvres his pieces right into Black's territory. Excellent! |
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Dec-23-07 | | blummenstuhl: I don´t get it at all. Why does 25. ... Rxe6 not work to defend. That´s my first question. Can anybody help me? |
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Dec-23-07 | | Chesstalesfan: Well Samagonka, but you mean 26.Bxg7, is nt it? |
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Dec-23-07 | | Chesstalesfan: to blumenstuhl, there is the Nd4 fork |
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Dec-23-07 | | blummenstuhl: Sometimes things are so simple and you just don´t see it. Thanks Chesstalesfan. |
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Dec-23-07 | | zooter: has the puzzle been changed? (confused!!) |
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Dec-23-07 | | triangulation: what if 26.... fxe6 ? |
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Dec-23-07 | | johnlspouge: Sunday (Insane) White to play and win.
Material even. K-side spatial advantage with Bs on adjacent long diagonals, Ns and Q mobile and centralized, R backing Pe5. Black has potential mating threats on a8-h1. Both Ks in some danger, but Black's more so. Black: Nd2 supported 1x(Q); Ng3 supported 2x(Q,Pf7), Re8 supported 0x. White: Pe5 supported 2x, threatened 3x. The position is so open that positionally the minor exchange is worth more than usual. Candidate moves: Bxh6 (whoops, force of habit), Nf6+, e6, Nd6, Nd4. Later candidates: Ba2||e4, Q+B battering ram
The key is probably opening the a1-h8 diagonal and getting rid of Bf8. 25.Nf6+ or e6 go nowhere, and the Nd6 lacks sufficient support. In the end, ...Nxe5 might do White a favor. The Re1 is a liability in some variations, because of ...Rxe1. Disrupting Black's mate threat looks attractive. 25.Nd4 Qd5 26.f4
This line feels right. White has fortified g2, centralized pieces, and tightened control of the center. The Black Q can be pushed off the a8-h1 diagonal. Time to peek. Nope. I need to see why 25...Rxe6 was impossible.
<blummenstuhl: Sometimes things are so simple and you just don´t see it.> Amid all the confusion, I had the same blindness. |
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Dec-23-07 | | patzer2: For today's insanely difficult Sunday puzzle solution, GM Nunn plays 25. e6!! -- giving his opponent a chance to win a "free" pawn. After Black declines this charitable offer (No thank you sir. I'd rather not eat your poisoned pawn.), Nunn then offers up a poisoned piece with 26. Bxg7! (Deal or No Deal? Either way Black loses!). The two consecutive demolition sacrifices shatter the Black pawn structure, and leave Greenfeld unable to defend against Nunn's well calculated attack. Here's a breakout of the combo, verified with Fritz 8: <25. e6!! Nb6>
White gets small but clear advantage(s) if Black captures the "sacrificed" pawn. However, against a strong player like GM Nunn those advantages are likely decisive. Here's what happens if Black grabs the pawn: [25... Rxe6 26. Nd4 ;
25... fxe6 26. Neg5 hxg5 27. Bxg6 Re7 28. Qxg5 ;
25... Qxe6 26. Ng3 Nge5 27. Nxe5 Qd5 (27... Nxe5 28. Rxe5 Qxe5 29. Bxe5 Rxe5 30. Qd3 ) 28. Qxd5 Bxd5 29. f4 f6 30. Rd1 Nxe5 31. Rxd5 ] <26. Bxg7! Nc4> This is best, as taking the poisoned piece loses immediately: [26... Bxg7 27. exf7+ Kxf7 28. Nd6+ ;
26... Kxg7 27. Qd4+ Kg8 28. Nf6+ Kh8 29. Nxe8+ ]
<27. Qxh6! Rxe6>
The Bishop is still poison, as Black loses quickly after
27... Bxg7 28. Nf6+ Bxf6 (28... Kf8 29. Nh7+ Ke7 30. exf7+ Nce5 31. Qxg7 ) 29. exf7+ Kxf7 30. Bxg6+ Kg8 31. Qh7+ Kf8 32. Qf7#. <28. Bxf8 Nxf8 29. Qg5+ Rg6 30. Qf4 Ne6 31. Nf6+> 1-0. Although this was enough to convince Black to resign, a stronger move is the computer choice 31. Qh4! Nf8 [31... Rg7 32. Nf6+ Kf8 33. Qh8+ Ke7 34. Qxg7 ; 31... Kf8 32. Kh1 Kg8 (32... Rg8 33. Nf6 ) 33. Nf6+ Kg7 34. Nh5+ Kf8 35. Bxg6 fxg6 36. Qf6+ Ke8 37. Ng7+ Kd7 38. Nxe6 ] 32. Ng3 Qf6 33. Bxg6 Qxh4 34. Bxf7+ Kxf7 35. Nxh4 . If Black had chosen to continue, he could have put up a bit of resistance with 31... Kg7 32. Nh5+ Kf8 33. Qb8+ Qc8 34. Qxc8+ Bxc8 35. Bxg6 fxg6 36. Nf6 Nxa3 37. Nd5 .However, even if he managed to visualize this line, I supsect Greenfeld figured with the exchange down against GM Nunn he didn't have a chance in the endgame. |
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Dec-23-07 | | Chesstalesfan: 25e6 Nb6 26Bxg7 fxe6 27Bxf8 threatening Sf6 and/or Qxh6 or even Sd6 depending on blacks 27th move |
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Dec-23-07 | | DarthStapler: Wow nice one |
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Dec-23-07 | | patzer2: <johnlspouge> <I need to see why 25...Rxe6 was impossible> Not impossible at all. In fact, it may be Black's best. However, after 26. Nd4 Qd5 27. Nxe6 , White wins the exchange. And who wants to play the exchange down without sufficient compensation against GM Nunn? Maybe Greenfeld should have played that option anyway, since the alternatives were no better after the surprise 26. Bxg7! |
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Dec-23-07 | | johnlspouge: <UdayanOwen>: If you press the "back" button on your browser, you can recover your deleted posts, then edit and post them again. <patzer2: <johnlspouge> <I need to see why 25...Rxe6 was impossible> Not impossible at all.> That's very generous. I still have a neophyte's horror of the complexities in a Sunday puzzle. Over the board, I will need some more experience before I prefer e6 to Nd4. Nunn and I were contemporary at the Oxford mathematics department. I recall recognizing him walking down the High Street, although he never knew me. Within the mathematics department, he was known as quite a strong chessplayer ;>) It is quite obvious why. |
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Dec-23-07 | | patzer2: Dr. Spouge, did you enter the Medical field after studying Mathematics at Oxford? |
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Dec-23-07 | | johnlspouge: <patzer2: Dr. Spouge, did you enter the Medical field after studying Mathematics at Oxford?> Hi, <patzer2>. You can call me "John", although I insist on "Dr. Spouge" from my enemies :>) Given the several posts making passing reference to my title, however, I have realized that I can accept "Dr. John" as a pleasant and jocular familiarity from the people here. No, I did the medical degree first and pithed myself thoroughly, to make the mathematics degree challenging (which it was). The two other MD-PhD mathematicians I have known did their mathematics degree first. I am nothing if not a committed masochist. chessgames.com is modestly elevating my social skills after 10 years focused on raising my two daughters, and I do welcome personal "conversation". My chessforum or an email might be a better venue, however. |
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Dec-23-07 | | apple pi: <26. ♗xg7> When Nunn does this, its time to resign. |
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Dec-23-07 | | dzechiel: White to move. Material even. "Insane."
Getting a late start on today, but let's see if we can offer anything original. At first glance the black king seems safe enough. But, compared with white, black's pieces are relatively uncoordinated. Black's rook is undefended should the e-file open somehow. The knight on d7 is only defended by the queen. Black's last move was likely ...Ng6, probably coming from e7, otherwise you wonder why black wouldn't have capured the e-pawn. Some candidate moves that come to mind are:
- 25 Nd4
- 25 Rc1
- 25 e6
In all the lines I'm looking at, pushing the e-pawn plays an important role. This makes me believe that 25 e6 might well be the key move. I have, however, learned from past "insane" positions, that I am out of my depth here. And while I would love to spend an hour finding the winning line, it's not clear to me that I could find it even given that much time. So, I'm going to turn over all the cards and check the game score. |
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Dec-23-07
 | | al wazir: How does white win after 25. e6 Qxe6! ? If 26. Nf6+ Nxf6 27. Rxe6 Rxe6 or 26. Neg5 Qxd1+ 27. Nxd1 hxg5, material is roughly even. |
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Dec-23-07
 | | al wazir: <UdayanOwen>: You can use asterisks, e.g., @#$%! Or you can try foreign languages. <GM>'s Russian is weak and I doubt if they (or their swearword detector) know Magyar. But some of the kibitzers do . . . Maybe you know some Welsh? |
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Dec-23-07
 | | Jimfromprovidence: <patzer2> <25... fxe6 26. Neg5 hxg5 27. Bxg6 Re7 28. Qxg5 ;> I’m not seeing the win after 28…Qc4.
 click for larger viewI think white should win, but I can't find a continuation that convincingly does this. |
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Dec-23-07 | | patzer2: <al wazir> 25. e6 <Qxe6> 26. Ng3 26. Ng3 Nge5 27. Nxe5 Qd5 (27... Nxe5 28. Rxe5 Qxe5 29. Bxe5 Rxe5 30. Qd3 ) 28. Qxd5 Bxd5 29. f4 f6 30. Rd1 Nxe5 31. Rxd5 . |
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