| May-09-04 | | paultopia: I am convinced this is the WORST king's gambit game ever recorded. Lets see. White gets what, by rights, should be a HUGE advantage. That stupid 3. ... Bc5 is probably the worst common move in chess. Everyone who doesn't know how to defend the King's Gambit plays it, and then they lose even more tempi, and give the gambit pawn back, and give up control of the center, all in one move. 4. d4 is absolutely mandatory, of course. Then white fritters it all away.
9. c3? What?? And you call yourself a king's gambit player? I'D play 9. Bxh6 myself, but that's just me. I LIKE to sac a piece for two kingside pawns when I have like 4 tempi and complete control of the cenre. After 9. ... gxc3 10. Qxc3 black doesn't have a shred of hope. Maybe 10. ... Qf6 would pretend to a defense, allowing him to defend the immediate mates after 11 Ng5 Qg7, but then 12. Bxf7+ Rxf7 13. Nxf7 wins back the sacrificed material with interest and black is still undeveloped and still has a dead king. So that's OBVIOUSLY the best move. 9. Nc3 would at least have been a respectable developing move. 17. a3. WHAT? WHY??? ATTACK! You're playing the king's gambit! ATTACK!! So then white blunders the exchange and then walks into the slaughterhouse. Anyway, that just horrified me. So I thought I'd share. :-) |
|
May-09-04
 | | Chessical: <Paultopia> <9.c3> seems to be a perfectly legitimate move to reinforce the centre. It may not be to the taste of the more "Romantically" inclined player, but <9.Bxh6> seems only to burn up your attacking pieces for a draw: <9.Bxh6> gxh6 10.Qxh6 Qf6 11.Ng5 Bxd4+ 12.Kh1 Qg7 13.Bxf7+ Rxf7 14.Nxf7 Bxb2 15.Qh3 Bxa1 16.Nh6+ Kh8 17.Nf7+ I agree that <17.a3> is pretty irrelevant (as <b3> would trap the bishop) compared to say <17.Ne5>. |
|
| May-09-04 | | paultopia: I don't know why I replaced h6 with c3 in several of my moves. I of course meant 9. Bxh6 gxh6 10. Qxh6 Regardless, I think 9. c3 is a terrible move, because it reinforces a center that isn't terribly under threat at the expense of, if nothing else a move that also reinforces the center but in addition develops a move to its most logical square, namely 9. Nc3. In terms of your alternate line on the attack, black can have the queenside rook. It is not needed. Indeed, by capturing the queenside rook, black loses to c3 played at the proper time, when it (thanks to the knight defending the c3 pawn) permanently removes that bishop's defense of the highly important long diagonal on his king. 9.Bxh6 gxh6 10.Qxh6 Qf6 11.Ng5 Bxd4+ 12.Kh1 Qg7 13.Bxf7+ Rxf7 14.Nxf7 Bxb2 15.c3! Bxa1 16. Rf5! Obviously, intending 17. Rg5 and 18. Rxg5, after which mate is inevitable. The closest thing I can find for a defense is 16. ... Qh7, offering the queen trade. After which 17. Qg5 d6 trying to get another defender into play 18. Rf6 and black is still dead. |
|
May-09-04
| | Chessical: <Paultopia> I am afraid that I cannot agree that your lines after a B sacrifice on h6 will bring victory to White: 9.Bxh6 gxh6 10.Qxh6 Qf6 11.Ng5 Bxd4+ 12.Kh1 Qg7 13.Bxf7+ Rxf7 14.Nxf7 Bxb2 <15.c3> (a) <15...Bxa1> 16.Rf5 <Qxh6!> 17.Nxh6+ Kg7 18.Rh5 d5 with a pawn for 2 Bishops; (b) <15...Qxh6> 16.Nxh6+ Kg7 17.Nf5+ Kh7 18.Nd2 Bxa1 19.Rxa1 d6, with a B for a P Both lines give White passed g and h pawns, but thay are on the 2nd rank, and I believe that Black's extra material and two bishops should tell. |
|
| May-11-04 | | paultopia: oh humbug, you're right. I forgot that black still has the option to execute the queen trade. |
|
| May-11-04 | | TrueFiendish: It's nice to read impassioned romantics and their views of the King's Gambit, but I have to say that in this opening, when white gets the pawn back, as here, the attacking play slows in tempo a bit. Basically I don't think c3 was a bad move; white had good play and a little edge for some time after. |
|
| May-12-04 | | paultopia: still, even though it comes out as not sound with best defense, judging by the silly nonsense later (like the blunder of the exchange), I doubt they calculated it that far. Which goes back to my "c'mon, you're a king's gambit player" principle. Anyone who does NOT make that sac is a wimp. :-) |
|
| May-14-04 | | refutor: games like this show that you can't accept and decline the gambit...make up your mind Black ;) |
|
| May-18-04 | | pawntificator: 9 Bxh6 is a little hasty. Too soon to attack yet.
9. c3 is pretty solid, but I don't like white giving up his dark squared bishop like that. Yet it did allow the development of the queenside knight. All in all, I'm simply not sure why this game is in the database. |
|
| Feb-02-05 | | schnarre: I concur with Paultopia that White loses a huge early advantage (space & development both). I think it's safe to say that this game is in the database to show how "won" positions can be lost. |
|
|
|
|
Kibitzing
