May-17-08 | | chessqueenie: fabulous. thats my gedult! |
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Feb-24-13 | | PaulLovric: second |
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Feb-24-13 | | PaulLovric: i am starting to not like the King's gambit that much |
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Feb-24-13 | | YouRang: Black got away with an inaccurate move order. After <11.O-O-O?>, black had this position:
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White is in a pickle. For one thing, his Nc3 is doubly-attacked and dependent on Pb2, which he doesn't want to move because it defends his king. Also, his Be3 is attacked and defended only by the queen. How should black exploit these weaknesses? Black actually erred with <11...Qe7>. Although this does put a double-attack on the Be3, it also gives white a chance to solve both of his problems with 12.Bd4 (moving the B out of take and adding defense to the Nc3). White missed this defense by playing <12.Re1?> instead, which is why black went on to win a few moves later. It would have been a better move for black to play 11...Bxc3! immediately to deprive white of this opportunity. White must grudgingly recapture with 12.bxc3, cracking open the king's defense. THEN black can play 12...Qe7 with force. [diagram after variation 12...Qe7]
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Two threats: (1) The black queen and knight double-attack the singly-defended Be3, and (2) the black queen also threatens ...Qa3+ with devastating attack. In this case, white has no time to defend. Moving the king (13.Kb2 or 13.Kb1) drops the bishop with 13...Qxe3. But saving the bishop (13.Bd4 to guard Pc3) loses to 13...Qa3 14.Kb1 Nc6! Black still ends up winning with a knight on c3 -- it just turns out to be the other knight (e.g. 15.Qc1 Qa5 16.c4 Nxd4 17.cxd5 Nb5 with Nc3+ to follow). |
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Feb-24-13 | | Abdel Irada: What happens to White's king earns an NC-17 for violence. |
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Feb-24-13 | | solskytz: <YouRang> I wasn't convinced by 12. Bd4 in your variations, as the Bishop will not be able to maintain its defense of the knight after 12...c5. Probably both players saw that, which explains 11...Qe7 on the one hand, and 12. Re1 on the other. |
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Feb-24-13 | | Abdel Irada: <solskytz>: In reply to 12. ...c5 (as also to 12. ...Nc6), White can play 13. Qf2, breaking the pin and threatening 14. Nxd5. Black can still double White's pawns, but not with the devastating impact that this had in the text. Surprisingly, White seems to be okay here. |
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Feb-24-13 | | morfishine: <Abdel Irada> On your comment and conclusion: <In reply to 12. ...c5 (as also to 12. ...Nc6), White can play 13. Qf2, breaking the pin and threatening 14. Nxd5. Black can still double White's pawns, but not with the devastating impact that this had in the text.
Surprisingly, White seems to be okay here.> Depends on your definition of 'ok' since White loses a piece while Black still has serious threats; which I guess is 'ok' since its better than being immediately mated: 12.Bd4 c5
13.Qf2 Nxc3 14.bxc3 Ba3+ 15.Kb1 cxd4
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Feb-24-13 | | Abdel Irada: <morfishine>: White meets 13. ...Nxc3 with 14. Bxc3. That is in fact the whole purpose of putting the bishop on d4, as suggested by <YouRang>. |
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Feb-24-13 | | morfishine: <Advel Irada> Of course, but the defense is far from easy: For example, 12.Bd4 c5
13.Qf2 Nxc3 14.Bxc3 Bxc3 15.bxc3 Qf6 16.Qxc5 Qxf4+ 17.Rd2 (17.Kb1 Qxf3)...Nd7 18.Qd5 Nb6 19.Qxb7 Qa4 20.Kb1 Rfe8 21.Bg2 Re5
22.c4 Ra5 23.Kc1 Qxa2 24.Kd1 Qa1+
25.Ke2 Re5+ 26.Kf2 Qd4+
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Feb-24-13 | | vinidivici: Cmoon give us some good GOTD someday.... |
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Feb-24-13 | | morfishine: <vinidivici> Some games are better than others & some puns are definitely better than others |
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Feb-24-13 | | Shelter417: I originally thought that 13. Be5 would be a good defense against 12...c5 (it looks like a draw), but Houdini suggests that 12...c5 is actually a blunder that allows 13. Bxg7!. |
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Feb-24-13
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i.e., 12. Bd4 c5 13. Bxg7 Kxg7 14. Qg2+ Kh8 15. Nxd5 (better than the immediate Rg1 since ..Qe3+ 16.Kb1 Nxc3+ 17.bxc Bxc3 gets defense to g7) Qe6 16. Rg1 Qg6 and 17.Nc7 removes blacks hopes. 13.Bxg7 Re8 is also worthless after 14.Rg1 |
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Feb-24-13 | | waustad: I thinking of the Schubert song Ungeduld, but it isn't spelled right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDS_... |
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Feb-25-13 | | Abdel Irada: <morfishine>: After 12. Bd4, c5 13. Qf2, Nxc3 14. Bxc3, Bxc3 15. bxc3, Qf6 16. Qxc5, Qxf4† 17. Rd2, Nd7 (17. ...Na6!?), 18. Qd5 looks dubious; better seems 18. Qd4, forcing Black either to exchange (leaving White a slightly shaky pawn up in the ending) or retreat with, e.g., 18. ...Qc7, when White gets menacing pressure with 19. Rg1. This of course is to say nothing of the possible refutation 13. Bxg7 as discussed by <Shelter417> and <PawnSac>, which I have not yet examined. I think <YouRang> had the right idea. I had my own doubts at first, but they have been laid to rest now. |
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Feb-25-13 | | kevin86: Roterman should have stuck to cleaning pipes! |
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Feb-28-13 | | solskytz: <Abdel Irada> Indeed, I missed the excellent Qf2 in this line. Thanks for pointing it out to me. |
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