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Mikhail Chigorin vs Ossip Bernstein
"Many Ossip Twixt Cup and Lip" (game of the day Mar-25-2007)
3rd Russian National Tournament (1903), Kiev RUE, Sep-??
King's Gambit: Declined. Petrov's Defense (C30)  ·  0-1



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Jun-20-05  Kangaroo: Apparently, an error in the score. The first 12 moves (until 12 ... f6) reproduce the game Chigorin vs O Bernstein, 1903
which resulted in a victory of Ossip Bernstein

What a surprise! Ossip Bernstein gave up and he later won the same game.

Mar-25-07  ALEXIN: Is that game a very interesting game ? In my opinion may be not...
Mar-25-07  ToTheDeath: Why is this game of the day? It's terrible. You would never see modern masters play this bad.
Mar-25-07  I3illieJoe: I agree. This game doesn't deserve to be game of the day
Mar-25-07  maximocapcom: The only gem is that the black bishop takes the knight, and the queen can't take it back. OR else it will lose the queen.
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  tpstar: <Calli> Are you suggesting they're drunk?! You must have those special powers which enable Kibitzers to discern immediately which posts are influenced by alcohol.

Game Collection: Alekhine was drunk!


Mar-25-07  Calli: <tamar> heh, deleted the post because i I figured they would correct the typo and the post would not make sense.

But I tell there are rumors about what goes on at All those database errors, those mysterious "outages" , the typos, the weird games of the day. It all adds up......


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  An Englishman: Good Morning: The game was picked for the pun. "Many a slip twixt the cup and the lip" is a saying that, if my college education was correct (and I could be wrong), dates back about 25 centuries.

That's not a misprint. There's a legend associated with a very minor league Greek hero of the Trojan War who owned the finest vineyards in Greece. When Agememnon <sp?> asked him to join the Greeks in their war versus Troy, he agreed, against the advice of an oracle who said that this hero would never again drink his wine if he went to Troy.

Well, our minor-league Greek hero not only survived the ten year war unscathed, his return home was quick and uneventful (unlike, say, Ulysses).

So the first thing he does is to invite the oracle to his estate to watch him drink his wine. As the oracle watches, the hero lifts his cup and says, "Looks like you were wrong." The oracle replies, "There's many a slip twixt the cup and the lip."

Just then, a servant rushes in and says a boar is destroying the vineyards. *Without* tasting the wine, the hero rushes outside to slay the boar, but the boar gets him first and the rather over-confident hero dies.

Or at least, that's what I think might be the legend. If it isn't, at least it sounds pretty goo.

This game applies, in that Chigorin probably could have done much better than lose the game.

Mar-25-07  weary willy: Hi English ... it's the "Osspi" bit that people are picking up.

But thanks for erudition!

Mar-25-07  Broon Bottle: Morning, Englishman; Many thanks for the yarn. I shall be holding court down the boozer as my pint nears my laughing gear. ch-cheers
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  Breunor: I'm used to hearing that the story was about Ancaeos, the helmsman for the Argo after Tiphyns dies. The story about the boar occurs after returning from the Argo adventure.

Remember, in Greek mythology the same story often does appear in many forms with differnt people.

Here is one source:

Mar-25-07  Sleeping kitten: This game is really worth a look. I disagree when I read it shouldn't be a Game of the Day. At the 14th move, White just looks winning. Yet, Bernstein found ways to challenge White's position so efficiently (probably with some help by his opponent, of course) that he indeed won the game. Even if White had played 30.g3, the position would stay unclear. This game reminds me that Nimzowitsch said there were six great defensive players in history : Wilhelm Steinitz, Louis Paulsen, Emanuel Lasker, Amos Burn, Oldrich Duras and Ossip Bernstein.
Mar-25-07  Troglodyte: Was this a blitz or rapid game?
Mar-25-07  laskereshevsky: Maybe <CG> was just "testing" our attention....

( the ancient story about the pun gived by <AEm> is very interesting....)

BUT, im just thinking about the event:....
<Kiev-tm USSR/YUG 1903>.....

....USSR?!?!.....YUG?!?!?!......IN 1903 ?......?!

Mar-25-07  AlfieNoakes: I'm glad everyone thinks this was a bad game. I was looking at it, as a low level player thinking I could see better moves and assuming I was missing things. Apparently I wasn't. 20 Qe6 looked dreadful to me.
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: <Breunor>, it would not surprise me if you were correct. College was a long, long, *long* time ago for this old boy.
Mar-26-07  kevin86: May I disagree with the earlier comments? This was a fun game to play. It had a wild attack by black and ended with an elegant win by black. White must simplify or be mated. The endgame would be lost-white would be two pawns and a knight down.
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  FSR: Correction slip submitted:

The Event and Site are both given as "Kiev-tm USSR/YUG". This is wrong. The Event should be "Russian National Tournament" and the site should be "Kiev." Source: OR at pages 508, 511.

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  FSR: Correction slip submitted:

The correct and complete game score of this game (except for the Event and Site, for which I have submitted a correction slip) are at Chigorin vs O Bernstein, 1903. The present game should be eliminated, and the other kept. The complete game score (corresponding to the other game) may also be viewed at OR at pages 508 (event), 511 (game score).

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  FSR: Note, incidentally, that this cannot have been a team tournament between the USSR and Yugoslavia, since neither of those countries existed in 1903. See and
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  FSR: OK, everything looks good now. has eliminated the other game (and moved my comment and <Kangaroo>'s 2005 comment over from it), and changed the event and site of the present game.

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