| Oct-27-03 | | refutor: 5.Ne5 must be worse for white than the muzio. 5. ... Qh4+ must refute the whole line? |
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| Oct-27-03 | | drukenknight: well hold on a minute. look at move 19, black has just pulled off a discovered check/attack w/ the N. Why not 19 Re1? one good discovered check desereves another. |
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| Oct-27-03 | | Shadout Mapes: I think 19.Re1 Bxc1 and the threat of black playing Nh3 looksl ike it'll be the doom of white unless he moves his rook back to g1. |
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| Oct-27-03 | | drukenknight: should go something like this: 19. Re1 Bxc1 20. Nxg4+ Kd6 21. Nxf2 |
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| Oct-28-03 | | Cyphelium: I agree with drukenknight. (What a weird feeling you get writing that ;-)). After 19. Re1 Bxc1? 20. Nxg4+ white is ok. (Or better even, he will be two pawns up after 20.-Kd6 21. Nxf2 Bh6 22. Rg1)
So instead on 19. Re1 black can play 19.- Kf8! with the threat of Nh3 still remaining. |
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| Oct-28-03 | | drukenknight: so you're going 19 Re1 Kf8 20 BxB+? |
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| Oct-28-03 | | Cyphelium: Certainly, why not? 20.- Nxh6. |
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| Oct-28-03 | | drukenknight: 21..Nd7+? |
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| Oct-28-03 | | Cyphelium: What's your idea after 21.- Bxd7? |
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| Oct-28-03 | | drukenknight: oh hell I forget about the B, scratch that, he may have to send the R back to g1 huh? |
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| Oct-28-03 | | Cyphelium: Exactly. And then he has lost a tempo. |
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| Oct-28-03 | | drukenknight: no wait, does it go:
19 Re1 Kf8 20 Nf7 BxB 21 KxB Ng3 22 NxR p=Q 23 RxQ NxR? |
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| Oct-28-03 | | Cyphelium: druken> After 19. Re1 Kf8 20. Nf7 I think it's simpler to play 20.- Bxd3 mate. |
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| Oct-28-03 | | drukenknight: in the game as played, 25 Rg1 may be a better idea to get pressure on the K |
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| Feb-09-08 | | wolfmaster: 29...? Wednesday Puzzle. |
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| Jul-14-12 | | Ryuenzo203106: what if white takes 6.f3 what would happen if white takes that f3 pawn can you help me?. |
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| Oct-28-12 | | Oliveira: Regarding the near-decade-old discussion between <drukenknight> and <Cypellium>, after 19.Re1 Black simply goes g1Q! 20.Rxg1 and now the beautiful Rxd3! (Nxd3 also wins) Anyway, there's no point at all in playing 19.Re1 after having played 18.Rg1, then it would have been more proper to anticipate Black by playing 18.Re1 right away. Then again, 18... Bxc1 wins. |
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| Oct-28-12 | | Oliveira: It's funny, but engines point out 28... Nxf1 as a mistake, more accurate would've been 28... Rfxd2, because after the game's move White could've played 29.Nc4; the situation was desperate anyway. However, I have the feeling Cochrane must have felt proud of his final combination, it was pure 19th-century virtuosity. It's surprising that in the only game between La Bourdonnais and Cochrane that has been saved for posterity the Frenchman is so utterly crushed, that considering he was La Bourdonnais (don't you agree?!) and that he won a match against Cochrane the same year. |
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| Dec-12-13 | | poorthylacine: To "Oliveira":
Unfortunately, recording games was not very usual before the matches La Bourdonnais vs Mac Donnell of 1834. We must be thankfull to the friend of Mac Donnell, Walker (I forgot his first name and he had a brother who was a strong player too), who took notice of the moves sitting aside of Mac Donnell while they played... La Bourdonnais published a chess treatise at 1833, in which, from his match against Cochrane he recorded only the unique game he lost!! This one! That's why it was saved and no other.
Excuse my bad english, I am a Frenchman. |
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| Mar-07-18 | | Big Pawn: Cochrane is smoking in this one! He beats the great La Bourdonnais! |
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| Sep-10-18 | | chesstauren: Jesus H. Christ! People actually played like this??? |
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| Jan-15-19 | | PatrickGJr: I don't see anything wrong with 7.) Knixf7.Imho, Black has nothing here after Fxg2+, 8.) KxG2, Qh3+, 9.) Kg1. And black's attack has totally stalled. Black is about to lose a rook, has really no development to show for it (actually one could say black is behind in development forsay, the queen is doing its best to exert pressure but needs more support from other pieces to be able in some actuality come up with some manner of concrete atmospheric threat, and finally the knight can always drop back to g5 after having gone to A7 to add any extra needed support to the defense of White's King while simultaneously preparing another strike upon the King's position with BF7. Then at 13, dropping back that bishop is what I consider to be a somewhat wasted move; B4 should be played immediately, as there is no threat to the bishop nor the knight given black's bishop would have to pull back to G7 in order to go after the said knight while removing pressure from D2. to which your white bishop could capture the knight upon G7 and despite the capture of the knight or the bishop in response/ and pulling back the piece which is left then, you are alleviating the pressure upon your position and had you played B4 immediately, you don't have to worry about the Knight coming to C5 due to (methodical move order promoting accuracy), and you can easily pull your King back to C2. I find Louis to be quite the positional player, but now having gone through most of his game, he doesn't necessarily display the greatest strategical sense of understanding regarding his positional play, though he still is a good strategic player. |
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| Jan-07-20 | | Pyrandus: To "chesstauren": Yes, Fratello, yes! |
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| Jan-23-23 | | generror: A wild King's Gambit game between Cochrane, who for some reason I can't fathom is my favourite early 19th century players (maybe because of his later games with that Indian dude?), and a very young La Bourdonnais. It was played at that weird "pools" tournament and is one of the very few victories of Cochrane in this tournament. The opening is, well, a King's Gambit. Every second move is yet another gambit named after some prehistoric Italian. La Bourdonnais didn't go as far as to play the Wild Muzio Gambit <5.0-0!?>, but according to SF this "Wild" Muzio Gambit is the best move in this position (followed by the peaceful <5.Ng1>). Cochrane plays it well, although his Cochrane Gambit <6...f3?!> actually is pretty dubious; apparently you should get rid of the e5-knight first, via <6...Nc6 7.d4 7.Nxf7 b5 8.Bb3 f3 Nxe5 8.dxe5 f3>. <7.g3??> is, of course, losing -- giving Black a passed pawn AND letting his queen get into close contact with the king, chasing him out into the open. The position after <8...Qg2+> is another fine example of the Romantic period -- in 8 moves, black has only moved pawns and his queen, yet white's queenside is still virginal, and it's kingside is a horrible mess: 
click for larger viewAfter that, it's effectively just a question of how and when White will be mated. Both players fumble and stumble quite a bit. After <17.Qxg2> (D), Cochrane's <17...Nf2+??> loses him his nice f-pawn, the straightfoward <17...fxg2 18.Re1 (18.Rg1 Nxd2+ 19.Kd1 Nf3 20.Nxf3 gxf3) Nxg3+ 19.d3 Nf1!> would have won. 
click for larger viewWhite still manages to hold up and even finishes "developing" its queenside with <24.Nd2>, but it immediately gets onto the losing side again with <25.Bd1?>, virtually forcing <25...Ne3> (D). <26...Bf1!> is a really nice one, effectively removing the white king's rook from play, and after <27.b3??> (which loses the knight and a rook; <27.Bb3> would have held a bit longer), the White position is finally crushed by the black's double rook pressure. 
click for larger viewAlthough it's of course not today's master level playing, it's definitively a fun one -- this chess sure is just as psychopathic as the entire 19th century; but, being chess, nobody gets hurt. Play chess, not war! :) |
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Kibitzing
sac: 29...Rxd1+