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Boris Gelfand vs Igor Stohl
Tilburg (1992), Tilburg NED, rd 3, Oct-??
Gruenfeld Defense: Exchange. Modern Exchange Variation (D85)  ·  1-0



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Dec-26-11  SimonWebbsTiger: @<Once>

"Zounds" is awful. I have always loved "Zoiks" or "Jeepers" from <Scooby Doo> cartoons.

Dec-26-11  CHESSTTCAMPS: White has bishop for a knight and a much safer king position, even though the WK is in the middle. White can force victory by demolishing the BK's pawn shelter:


A) 30... Kxh5? 31.Qh2/h3#

B) 30... Kg7 31.Rxg5+ Kf7 32.Bc4+ Ne6 33.Bxe6+ Rxe6 34.fxe6+ wins a R and the king can't last long.

B.1) 31... Kh7 32.Qh4+ Qh6 33.Rh5 Qxh5 34.Qxh5+ Kg7/g8 35.Qg6+ Kh8 36.Kf2 Rfe7 (or Re7) 37.Rh1+ Rh7 38.R/Qxh7#

B.2) 31... Qxg5 32.Qxg5+ Kh8 (Kf7 33.Qg6#) 33.Qh6+ Kg8 33.Qg6+ Kh8 34.Kf2 and mates as in B.1.

I hope everyone had a great holiday.

Dec-26-11  LoveThatJoker: <morfishine> I like your line because of 33. e5. I employ the e5 motif in many lines that follow play after 30...Kg7 31. Rxd4

After 33. e5 (in your line) and 31. Rxd4 (in my line), Black should of course resign.

However, if he wants to play it to the grim end, I'm seeing that his best defences are as follows,

Your line: 30. Rxh5+ Kg7 31. Rxg5+ Kf7 32. Bc4+ Ne6 33. e5 Qh8

Position after 33...Qh8

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Without a doubt, White now plays 34. fxe6+ Rxe6 and now 35. Rg7+! is utterly crushing.

Position after 35. Rg7+!

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My line: 30. Rxh5+ Kg7 31. Rxd4 Rh8 32. Rxh8 and the fight now takes slightly differing characters depending on how Black wishes to continue.

Position after 32. Rxh8

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Both lines lead to a devastating win for White! Your line is definitely technically sounder and more efficient, morfishine; although mine has its fun elements with the quirky shot 31. Rxd4.


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  Gilmoy: <dzechiel: Time to check> -- because it might be mate!! (My fishy opponents swear by this)

<Once: 32..Re6 33.Bxe6+> I like 33.fxe6+ (Δ 34.Rf5) Ke8 (cf. <dzechiel>):

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First doodle is a blizzard of lust: 34.d7+ Ke7 35.d8=Q+! <clearance sac> Rxd8 36.Qc7+ Kf8 37.e7+! <line-opening sac> Qxe7 38.Rg8#.

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But even better is the cold 34.Rxd4 (Q,c)xd4 35.Bb5+ Kd8 36.e7+ is ~#5 if Black can play Qxe7 (even if he chooses not to), or #3 if he cannot (because of 34..Qxd4).

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Dec-26-11  sethoflagos: A 'monday' solution:

30.Rxh5+ Kg7 31.Rxg5+ Qg6 32.Rxg6+ Kf7 33.Bc4+ Re6 34.fxe6+ Ke8 35.d7+ Kd8 36.Qb8+ Ke7

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37.Qxf8+! Kxf8 38.d8=Q#

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  scormus: <Once> Brilliant! Any idea when the film comes on general release?

I can hardly wait for you to screenwrite for the new film about Beth Harmon, with Noomi Rapace to play the lead.

Dec-26-11  morfishine: <LoveThatJoker> Thanks for looking! This position allows for much artistic license. For example I looked at your 30.Rxh5+ Kg7 <31.Rxd4> which is indeed crushing.

With this much play for white, I then looked at <30.Rxd4> straight off (threatening 31.Rxh5+) and Black can't recapture either way thus losing a whole piece for nothing. If 30...Qxd4 then 31.Rxh5+ Kg7 32.Qxg5+ Kf7 33.Rh7+ and mate next move.

And if 30.Rxd4 <30...cxd4> 31.Rxh5+ Kg7 32.Rxg5+ Kf7 33.Bc4+ clearly winning

Lots of fun for a Monday! :)

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  whiteshark: <30.Rxh5+> and that's it
Dec-26-11  LoveThatJoker: <morfishine> Thanks for taking the time to look at my line, man! You returned the favour and I appreciate it sincerely.

As you said, there is much room for artistic license in this position and it is quite phenomenal that even 30.Rxd4 is winning! :)


Dec-26-11  stst: Easy and interesting!
30.RxP+ KxR (longer sequence follows*)
31.Qh3# (not Qg4+ as Kh6 and flees via g7 - that's the interesting trap here!)

*Longer Sequence:
IF after 30.RxP+ Kg7
31.RxP+ Kf7
32.Rg6 and Bk Q is lost, or exchange lower by QxR, but if so 33.QxQ#

Dec-26-11  stst: <32 Bc4+ Re6

This is necessary to make a flight square for his king. But after

33 fxe6+ Ke8 > etc

good to have such an analysis, yet from a resources perspective (c.f. Symslov) to win more economically (i.e. without stretching out for more resources, nor creating a newer situation,) would be even more beautiful.

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  Penguincw: Piece of cake. A nice start to the week.
Dec-26-11  morfishine: <Penguincw> Glad you are not leaving al together! Yes, Monday's have been quite good lately
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  OhioChessFan: If I had this OTB, 30. Rxh5+ Kg7 <31. Rxd4> to avoid any possible oversights of that centralized Knight. <LTJ> has some interesting lines showing how strong it is. I think it's just prudent in a strong position to remove the only strong piece for the opponent.
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  scormus: <Elvis .... 31 Rxd4> That's a sound principle, OTB I'd probably to the same. But here its good to defer it until after 32 Bc4+ Re6. (Or if 32 ... Ne6 there are some fun crushing lines, including one with W getting a second Q)
Dec-26-11  LoveThatJoker: <OhioChessFan> Thanks, man. I'm a huge Petrosian fan; so any time I can get away with an exchange sac for a solid tactical reason, I do so!

I'm getting better at discerning the positional compensations available with exchange sacs as well.

I appreciate the comraderie here.

Thank you!


Dec-26-11  LoveThatJoker: <scormus> Good note, man! Without a doubt going for morfishine's line is the soundest and cleanest way to win.

You're absolutely right if 32. Bc4+ Re6 33. Rxd4 is a devastating way to pursue the attack!


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  chrisowen: Cat see f5 aint it genius string you tease king half rade nearly it is g5 would in rich coughing up again poor into mate or suffer queen consequences the indignity of shedding material!

Finger on the button my black rod knee knock queen oh think twice it was in destiny it is pawn sac low in g5? Rxh5.

Dec-26-11  BOSTER: <Once> <Could we tell what the players were thinking just by <expressions>.

In 2011, Grand Slam Champion, Nakamura (black) played vs F.Vallejo. After Vallejo has played his last move before time control with five sec. on the clock to spare,

Naka, having 45 sec. on his clock, looked up to the arbiter and asked "Is it move 40?"

The arbiter,who is not allowed to give such inf., did nothing, but he made involuntary the <expression>, or body movement, which Naka <read> as a nod in assent.

Being sure that he had reached the time control, Naka went to pour himself an orange juice.

But during this nice procedure his 45 sec. ticked down to zero, and Vallejo was awarded the win.

I guess it was the most <expensive> glass of orange juice Naka has ever drunk.

Dec-26-11  M.Hassan: "Very Easy" White to play
Equal both sides

30.Rxh5+ <if...Kxh5 31.Qh3#>

31.Rxg5+ Kf7
32.Bc4+ Re6 (to provide escape rout for King)

33.Bxe6+ Nxe6
34.fxe6+ Qxe6
35.Rf5+ Ke8
36.d7+ Kd8
37.Rxf8+ Ke7

Let's see when Black resigned

Dec-26-11  bischopper: in this puzzel is a move only for the king get out from his carefull with this... allways or you lost.
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  Once: <BOSTER> That's a great story! IIRC the arbiter is allowed to clarify the rules, but not allowed to help in the game.
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  scormus: <BOSTER> Yes, great story, and what a killer way to lose. I know how he must have felt - a few bad experiences myself on the last move before time control. A couple of them still haunt me :(
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  kevin86: A little complicated-but straightforward-for a Monday.
Dec-28-11  goodevans: <29 ... g5> was a horrible blunder for a GM to make. I don't see a clear win for white after <29 ... gxf5>.
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