| Jul-08-03 | | sarayu: why not 11. Nxe5 Bxd1? A continuation might be: 12. Nxf6+ gxf6 13. Nxf7 Qd7 14. Nxh8 etc., but so what? I'm missing something obvious here. |
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| Jul-08-03 | | Grooveboy: If 11. Nxe5 Bxd1 12. Nxf6+ gxf6 13. Bxf7+ Kf8 14. Bh6#. |
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| Jul-08-03 | | chankins: How about 11...Bxd1? 12.Nxf6+ Kf8 13.Nfd7+ Qxd7 14.Nxd7+ Ke8 15.Rxd1 Rd8 16.Nf6+ or maybe Nc5 and Black is only a pawn down with a lousy position |
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| Jul-08-03 | | Calli: Fritz suggests 16.Bh6! Black either messes up his position with 16...gxh6 17.Nf6+ or loses the g pawn with 16...Kxd7 |
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| Aug-13-04 | | who: <Calli> I assume you mean 16.Rxd7
Either way Chankins is right that taking the queen is better than leaving it. |
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| Aug-13-04 | | tweetypie: Can anyone explain the point of 15...c6 - the only possible idea I can think of is to open up the c-file, but that doesn't seem to do black any good. Any ideas? |
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| Aug-13-04 | | azaris: Upon playing 24...♖f8 Chigorin must have already envisioned himself in an epaulette mate. Ah, those romantic times when even grandmasters would play on in a hopeless position if there was a beatiful mating combination in the horizon. |
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| Aug-14-04 | | suenteus po 147: <tweetypie> In response to your question, let me ask another. What should black play instead of 15...c6? |
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| Oct-17-05 | | Averageguy: In Reinfeld's wonderfull book "The Complete Chess Player" He sais of 15...c6: "Giving up a second pawn to create complications." And after 16.Bxc6+ Ke7 he says: "Now he threatens 17...QN3+
(double attack) winning the bishop." BTW, the brackets were his, not mine. As <suenteus po 147> implied, giving up the pawn was probably the best practical choice, aiming to complicate what was otherwise a lost game. Also, we should be grateful, as we would otherwise have been deprived of a wonderful finishing combination! |
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| Feb-26-08 | | Dr. Siggy: E. A. Znosko-Borovsky, "How NOT to Play Chess", New York 1959, pages 17-18: - "[...] the 'Blackburne Trap', so called because that master used to catch three or four of his opponents a night with it, and was really the first to popularise it, was first brought off by M. de Kermar, Sir de Légal, Philidor's teacher, in 1702! It has been published in one of its many forms scores of times. The former Russian champion, M. J. Tchigorin, was actually caught by a variant of it in his match with Dr. S. Tarrasch, in 1893, in the position resulting from the following moves: [...] 10... Ne7?? 11. Nxe5! Tchigorin was too great a player blindly to take the offered Q, which would lead to mate in three moves, or loss of material and decisive positional disadvantage, but his game was hopeless nevertheless. This example is given to show that the famous trap may crop up in many ways [...]. It is probably - it should be - the best known of all chess traps, and one would imagine that it was familiar to every player [...]. Yet it is constantly recurring [...]." |
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| Jan-23-10 | | gauer: In addition to the game above, other examples of the offside Queen are: Michelet vs Kieseritzky, 1843. Had this been a game of football, the penalty here for the Offside call is to slow down the mate is to return the Queen. Furthermore, Nimzowitsch vs Hakansson, 1922 & Bareev vs Piket, 2000 seem to somewhat Mirror one another. When the King chooses the extra wife for the household, the choice should be made such that the Ladies not turn Cross at one another during their travels within the corridors (below, a Queen can place a threat on: a7-g1 or to at least give chase with a trading threat) of the palace, or otherwise problems such as Chigorin vs Blackburne, 1898 may occur. |
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Jan-23-10
 | | Richard Taylor: I've played through most of Tarrasch's games including this - amazing games - very deep and often beautiful. All aspects of the game. The "trap" is common one but not that obvious... |
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Jan-23-10
| | Richard Taylor: In Reinfeld's book of Tarrasch games (183 of them) he simply says of 15. ... c6 (15. ... B-B3 in the book) that "Since normal measures offer no hope, Tchigorin goes off on wild adventures." Then mentions the Q-B fork threat on b6 (Black's B3)... At the end of course there threatened the beautiful epaulette mate. |
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| Dec-27-13 | | john barleycorn: I don't think it is appropriate to speak of "Legal's mate" in the variant
<11. Nxe5 Bxd1 12. Nxf6+ gxf6 13. Bxf7+ Kf8 14. Bh6#> In "Legal's mate" the mate is accomplished with 2 knights and a bishop. In the above variant the hypothetical mate would be accomplished with 2 bishops (and a knight). I think to say "Boden's mate" is better. |
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| Jun-19-14 | | dernier thylacine: Kortchnoi said that it happened to him to play with a dead man.
But I do no more remember if it was Chigorin or Tarrasch... |
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Jun-19-14
 | | perfidious: <dernier> The opponent was supposedly Maroczy. |
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| Jun-19-14 | | dernier thylacine: Thank you perfidious.
Now, at last all is clear for me about the state of mental health of Kortchnoi... |
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| Jun-19-14 | | The17thPawn: Wow did these two battle it out life time! 14-13&8 in favor of Tarrasch |
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| Jun-19-14 | | dernier thylacine: TO PERFIDIOUS: what I had really in mind is now quoted as kibitz to the "game" Maroczy-Korchnoi; here it would really no more be fitting, because here we have the splendid match between two genies, but at the same time gentlemen and not dangerous and harmful paranoiacs like Fischer and Korchnoi... |
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Kibitzing
sac: 21.Rxf6