Joseph Blackburne vs Jetson (1861)

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Joseph Blackburne vs Jetson
Blindfold simul, 3b (1861) (blindfold), Manchester ENG, Dec-07
Sicilian Defense: French Variation (B40) · 1-0

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Aug-06-18		Yuridmi: His boy Elroy Astro the dog Spacely his boss 1861 was a long time ago, I wonder if any record exists to see if Jetson's given name was "George"

Aug-06-18		MissScarlett: There's a query over whether the name is <Jetson> or <Jebson>. I recently changed the name from <Jebson> to <Jetson> on the strength of Harding's Blackburne biography, but now I'm having second thoughts.

May-22-20		Tabanus: Illustrated London News 15 Feb 1862 has "Mr. Jebson". Sheffield Daily Telegraph 11 Dec 1884 and 20 Jan 1885 has an "E. Jebson" playing for the Brightside Chess Club in Sheffield. The Field, 1 February 1862 has "Mr Jetson". There was an Edmund Jepson, 31, family man with 4 children living in Over Darwen Lancashire in 1871.

May-23-20		MissScarlett: <Illustrated London News 15 Feb 1862 has "Mr. Jebson"> <The Field, 1 February 1862 has "Mr Jetson"> To clarify, neither column is referring in this regard to this game but a later blindfold display that Blackburne gave in Manchester on January 20th 1862, and both reproduce from Stanley's original report in the (Manchester) <Weekly Express and Report> of January 25th - Stanley has <Jetson>, so the <ILN> version is likely only a typo. What's curious is that Boden in the same <Field> column also gives this game, but doesn't identify the opponent beyond <Mr I --->. As Harding points out, it seems we have Edward Pindar to thank for the survival of this game, as Boden thanks <E. P. (Manchester)> in the correspondence section for his contribution and offer of future games. The attribution of <Jetson> to this game didn't happen until as late 1889, when it appeared simultaneously in the <Manchester Evening News> and <Birmingham Weekly Mercury> of November 2nd. Harding speculates the game was rediscovered (with the identity of the opponent) by <C. A. Dust>, the editor of the <MEN>, and passed on to <R. J. Buckley> of the <Mercury> because Blackburne was due to visit the city.

May-23-20		Tabanus: Very informed :) In case of <Jetson>, the 1861 census has Joseph H(enry) Jetson, 48, Railway Shareholder, and his brother John Jetson, 42, Landed proprietor, + a sister Elizabeth, 32, living together in 64 Wilmot Street, Hulme Township, City of Manchester. With no children in the house, so they could have the time for chess. And they seem to be the only alternative in the 1861 censuses for Lancashire. John Jetson, 42, Batchelor Gentleman, married Ann Renshaw, 24, on 30 Dec 1862 in Manchester. All three in Hulme also in 1851 and 1841. In 1871, Joseph & Elizabeth are in Leeds. John is then in Altrincham Cheshire, married, 52, Builder. The he died in 1872. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial...

Jul-03-25		jnpope: I have the game as NN (Mr. I...; Jetson; Jepson) in my database. I had to check my sources, which give: Source "(London) Field, 1862.02.01, p97" SourceNote "Gives: Mr. I..." Source2 "(Birmingham) Weekly Mercury, 1889.11.02, p12" Source2Note "Gives: Jetson" Source3 "(Greenwich) Kentish Mercury, 1892.10.07, p2" Source3Note "Gives: Jepson; cites Metropolitan Magazine" I haven't run down the Metropolitan Magazine to see what was actually given there.

Jul-03-25		jnpope: Have these moves ever been given with the name "Jebson" attached or is the current name based solely on the report given in the <Illustrated London News>? <To clarify, neither column is referring in this regard to this game but a later blindfold display that Blackburne gave in Manchester on January 20th 1862, and both reproduce from Stanley's original report in the (Manchester) <Weekly Express and Report> of January 25th - Stanley has <Jetson>, so the <ILN> version is likely only a typo.> As a double-check, Stanley does give "Jetson" in his report, which can be seen in the Hazeltine scrapbook, v56, Manchester Express and Guardian clippings, pdf-pp49-50.

Jul-03-25		jnpope: Checking for hits in newspapers from Manchester, Lancashire, England (1860-1869). "Mr. Jetson" 0 (zero) hits. "Mr. Jebson" 1 (one) hit in 1869. "Mr. Jepson" 58 (fifty-eight) hits. Mr. Jepson was a solicitor/attorney. Any chance that Jebson/Jetson are both wrong and that the <Metropolitan Magazine> got the name right?

Jul-03-25		MissScarlett: All that shows is that the profession of solicitor is more likely to appear in a newspaper than, say, that of a grocer. I think we have to go with Stanley's original <(Manchester) Weekly Express> report and <Jetson>. < I recently changed the name from <Jebson> to <Jetson> on the strength of Harding's Blackburne biography, but now I'm having second thoughts.>Blackburne vs Jebson, 1861 (kibitz #15) I don't even recall if I was responsible for the reversion to <Jebson> but I'm now firmly in the <Jetson> camp.

Jul-03-25		jnpope: I fully agree <Jetson> is the earliest name we've got for a player in the area. In Re: Jepson A solicitor is usually more newsworthy. However, as a point of context, who could afford a club membership in Victorian England and would a "gentleman's club" even admit a grocer or a dock worker? How progressive were things in 1861? I'm curious as to what was actually published in the <Metropolitan Magazine> and why it allegedly gives "Jepson." Just hunting for more data.

Jul-03-25		jnpope: My presumption is that this 3b performance was given at the Manchester Athenaeum club. The 4b performance given a month later with Jetson mentioned was definitely reported as being given in that club. Apparently the Manchester Athenaeum is now a museum. I wonder if the club membership books ended up in a local Manchester library or if they are stored in the museum?

Jul-03-25		MissScarlett: The <Manchester Athenaeum> (where, apparently, this game and Blackburne's blindfold simul of January 20th 1862 took place) wasn't a gentlemen's club, nor a chess club: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manch... Jetson may not have belonged to a chess club at all, explaining his absence from any other Manchester chess news.

Jul-03-25		jnpope: Fair points. I still wonder if any records exist. "Manchester Athenaeum Club Now located at Manchester Reform Club, King Street" https://mlfhs.uk/databases/war-memo...

Jul-03-25		jnpope: So it was a literary club. Membership was 30 shillings per year in 1838. I wonder what it was in 1861?

Jul-03-25		MissScarlett: Looking at an ad in the <Manchester Courier> of January 5th 1867, p.1, the annual subscription seems to be 24 shillings per annum. For that you get the NewsRoom, Library, Coffee, Chess, Billiard and Smoking Rooms. There are clubs, societies and evening classes, for which there are extra fees. Inflation wasn't a major factor in Victorian Britain which was tied to a gold standard.

Jul-03-25		MissScarlett: Harding quotes a Blackburne interview with Robert Buckley from the <Birmingham Weekly Mercury> of November 16th 1889: <I first played one game only, then two, and succeeding very fairly, a friend introduced me to the [Manchester] Athenaeum Club, where I played three, one of which I am glad to see in Saturday's <Birmingham Weekly Mercury>. I had quite lost the game, which I much wished to have for my coming work called <Blackburne's Blindfold Brilliancies>.> The book plan must have been related to this April 1888 report: Joseph Blackburne (kibitz #263) Incidentally, the Graham collection of 1899 has <Jebson>.

Jul-03-25		jnpope: Ok, so Blackburne saw the game in the <Birmingham Weekly Mercury>, which gave "Jetson" and didn't correct the name during the interview. But Graham(?) did change the name to Jebson in 1899. Presumably with Blackburne's knowledge. I'm still in the Stanley/Jetson camp, but what are the chances Graham had a different source for the name other than the <ILN> report? At this point I'm: 60% Jetson 35% Jebson 5% Jepson Based solely on the number of times this individual is mentioned in connection with Blackburne by that particular spelling and weighted by earliest occurrence of that spelling. Maybe I'll write the new Athenaeum to see if they have membership records going back that far (unlikely but you never know unless you ask).

Jul-03-25		MissScarlett: <Source2 "(Birmingham) Weekly Mercury, 1889.11.02, p12"> Not to be pedantic but the paper is indeed called the <Birmingham Weekly Mercury>. The inside page headers don't always correspond with the front page title.

Jul-03-25		jnpope: I go with the colophon at the top of the page. Front page titles vary far too often.

Jul-03-25		MissScarlett: Colophon, schmolophon.

Jul-03-25		jnpope: I tend to go with the title in the colophon first, followed by the title given in the indicia or subscriber's notice (usually found on the second page in most US newspapers), and I'll use the masthead title on the front page as a last resort. And I never believe the "series title" given from a newspaper website, or on a library's microfilm box, as they tend to merge all sorts of things into a "series".

Jul-03-25		jnpope: I see the <Birmingham Weekly Mercury> had several names: <Weekly Mercury> <Birmingham Weekly Mercury> <Birmingham Illustrated Weekly Mercury> <Sunday Mercury> All lumped together under a single series name. Some folks are fine using the series title. I prefer to go with the colophon title. The <Charleston News and Courier> was the daily publication and the <Charleston Sunday News> was used for the Sunday newspaper from that publisher. I suspect this dual title creation had something to do with how subscriptions were sold and there may have been some legal or accounting issues that required a distinction to be made. I see a large number of splits like this in US newspapers, so I made the call many moons ago to use the title found at the top of the interior pages as it solved multiple problems for me at the time. I don't regret that decision, but I'm afraid you will have to live with it if your opinion differs. :-P

Jul-03-25		MissScarlett: I will not accede to your delusions.

Jul-03-25		stone free or die: Yes, this stuff can become very complicated. That's one reason I like using abbrevs for major run publications - the legend/key can be used to demarcate the various official titles. E.g. DSZ doesn't always = <"Deutsche Schachzeitung"> Though we usually think of it as an uninterrupted run.

Jul-03-25		jnpope: <MissScarlett>: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqS...

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