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| Nov-15-12 | | sofouuk: <Fanques Fair: Why not 23..., Nxf4 ?>mate in 6 after 24.Qc4+ Nd5 25.Qxd5+ Kh8 26. Nf7+ Kg8 27.Nh6+ Kh8 28.Qg8+ Rxg8 29.Nf7#
click for larger view which was the point of Rxf7, of course. still, black did have a good alternative - 23... Nf8! (preventing Qe6+) 24.Bd6 (threat Bxf8 Qe6+ and smothered mate again) Rxd6 (only move) 25.Qxd6 Qd7 (the other point of Nf8) and white seems to have nothing better than 26.Rc6 Rd8 27.Qxd7 Rxd7 28.Bc4 h6 
click for larger view white has three pawns and some initiative for the piece. rybka scores it +0.55 |
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| Nov-15-12 | | King Sacrificer: You need healthy eyes to see the possibility of smothered mate in this position. Good game..
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| Nov-15-12 | | Six66timesGenius: "The Toth Fairy" LOL |
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| Nov-15-12 | | Ratt Boy: 25. White to move and win. Could be a good Wednesday or Thursday puzzle. |
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| Nov-15-12 | | gars: why not "an unsuccessful appel"? |
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| Nov-15-12 | | Abdel Irada: I imagine Toth would like an Appel a day. |
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| Nov-15-12 | | Abdel Irada: I briefly thought Black could escape with 23. ...Nf8, but it fails to 24. Bd6, Qxd4; 25. Bc4, and if 25. ...Rac8?; 26. Bxd5†, Kh8; 27. Nf7†, Kg8; 28. Nxd8†, Kh8; 29. Nf7†, Kh8; 30. Nh6†, Kh8; 31. Qxc8, Qxd5; 32. Bxf8, and White is a rook and a bishop ahead. |
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| Nov-15-12 | | kevin86: White pieces attacking/black pieces scattering--guess who wins? |
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| Nov-15-12 | | Cemoblanca: "The Toth Appel Show"... ;) Great game! |
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| Mar-15-20 | | JimmyRockHound: In Abdel's line after Bd6, black appears to hold with RxB. |
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Mar-15-20
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| Mar-15-20 | | Walter Glattke: I think, the Encyclopaedia moves 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 are a szenario, a "Vienna coffehouse chess" with 3 black "waiting moves", and you always get a win position for white with that. |
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| Mar-15-20 | | Walter Glattke: After the plausible 21.Rxf7 Kxf7 22.Ng5 Kg8 white can play also 23.Bxg6 hxg6 24.Qxg6 N5f6 25.Qf7+ Kh8 26.Rc3, in most cases those Encyclopaedia moves bring a lost position for black after several moves, so if they play that mad queen wing attack of black. There is a counter play possible for grandmasters, but there is white advantage in 4th move here. |
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| Mar-15-20 | | Walter Glattke: In the match 23.Qxc6 N7f6 24.Qe6+ Kh8 also 25.Nf7+ Kg8 (or QxN) 26.Nxd8+ Kf8 27.Rc7 Qxc7 28.Bxc7 Nxc7!? 29.Qf7# 27.Bd6+ or 26.-Kh8 27.Nf7+ Kg8 28.Nh6++ Kf8 29.Bd6+ Qe7 30.Qf7# or 26.-Kh8 27.Nf7+ Kg6 28.Rc7 Qxc7 29.Bxc7 ... that should be enough for today, comment you more, please. |
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| Mar-15-20 | | goodevans: I'm going to check back later to see if anyone has found improvements to <sofouuk>'s 2012 post regarding <23... Nf8> as I can't. If that means <21.Rxf7> is only good enough for equality then this is still a valid puzzle since other moves seem to give black the advantage. And ...Nf8 seems also to be the refutation to <Walter Glattke>'s suggested 23.Bxg6: <21.Rxf7 Kxf7 22.Ng5+ Kg8 23.Bxg6 hxg6 24.Qxg6 Nf8> stops white's attack dead in its tracks and leaves black in a winning position. |
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| Mar-15-20 | | RandomVisitor: 23...Nf8 line
click for larger viewStockfish_20030407_x64_modern:
<61/53 17:26 0.00 23...Nf8 24.Bd6 Rxd6> 25.Qxd6 Qd7 26.Qxd7 Nxd7 27.Bc4 N7b6 28.Ba2 h6 29.Ne6 Kh8 30.Rc6 Bf6 31.Nf4 Nxf4 32.Rxf6 Nbd5 33.Bxd5 Nxd5 34.Rxg6 Kh7 35.Rc6 Rb8 36.Rc5 Nf4 37.Rxa5 Rxb2 38.Ra7+ Kg6 39.Ra6+ Kg7 40.Ra7+ |
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Mar-15-20
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| Mar-15-20 | | Walter Glattke: 23.-Nf8, good move found no better than 24.Qxc6 Nxf4 25.Qc4+ Ne5 26.Re1 Qxd4 and black wins. Stockfish has Elo over 3000, seeing it with 23.Qxc6 Nf8, so congrats to the metal brain for that -Nf8, very good! |
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| Mar-15-20 | | erniecohen: Might I suggest running analysis on a position before posting it as POD? |
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Mar-15-20
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| Mar-15-20 | | RandomVisitor: A final look at the 23...Nf8 line
click for larger viewStockfish_20030407_x64_modern:
<72/37 2:41:48 0.00 23...Nf8 24.Bd6 Rxd6 25.Qxd6> Qd7 26.Qxd7 Nxd7 27.Bc4 N7b6 28.Ba2 h6 29.Ne6 Kh8 30.Rc6 Bf6 31.Nf4 Nxf4 32.Rxf6 Nbd5 33.Bxd5 Nxd5 34.Rxg6 Kh7 35.Rc6 Rb8 36.Rc5 Nf4 37.Rxa5 Rxb2 38.Ra7+ Kg6 39.Ra6+ Kg7 40.Ra7+ Kf6 41.Ra6+ |
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| Mar-15-20 | | RandomVisitor: After 21.Rxf7 Kxf7
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59/41 40:05 0.00 22.Qxc6 Nf8 23.Bd6 Rxd6 24.Qxd6 Qd7 25.Qg3 Ne6 26.Bc4 Kg8 27.Ne5 Bxe5 28.dxe5 Qc6 29.Qf3 Rd8 30.b3 Kg7 31.Rd1 Ng5 32.Qg3 Ne6 33.Rd2 h5 34.a4 Qc5 35.Qh4 Qc6 36.Rxd5 Rxd5 37.Qf6+ Kh7 38.Qf3 Nc7 39.Qf7+ Kh6 40.Qf8+ Kh7 59/76 40:05 0.00 22.Ng5+ Kg8 23.Qxc6 Nf8 see above post |
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| Mar-15-20 | | agb2002: White has the bishop pair and a pawn for a bishop and a knight. Black threatens Nxe7 and Nxf4.
White has five pieces to attack the black king, starting with 21.Rxf7. One of the main motifs is 21... Kxf7 22.Ng5+ Kg8 23.Qxc6 Nxf4 24.Qc4+ and the smothered mate follows. |
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| Mar-15-20 | | Granny O Doul: As Bent Larsen said, with a knight on f8 you never get mated. |
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| Mar-16-20 | | TheBish: Appel Bitten by Toth |
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