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| Feb-16-08 | | notyetagm: <SniperOnG7: ... Kasparov's going to have a field day over Shirov allowing 13...Rxc3 if he hasn't already.> Yes, that was my thought exactly.
Kasparov made -very- dergatory comments about Movsesian's chess understanding (or lack thereof) after allowing 13 ... ♖c8x♘c3! in Movsesian vs Kasparov, 2000. From the forum for that game:
<aw1988: Kasparov remarked 'You simply don't allow such a move, it's a matter of chess culture', and was horrified when Movesian played Bd3.> |
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| Feb-16-08 | | percyblakeney: It looked like Anand was winning when I left the game, and so he did. A very good Linares start for him, it's never easy to beat 2750+ opposition with black. Not easy for Shirov to get things right in such a complicated and unbalanced position as they had here, and he was down to 33 seconds for ten moves when he resigned. |
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| Feb-16-08 | | AdrianP: 12 Nd5!? Qxd4 is the critical and exciting line - see Nakamura - Gelfand 2007 and Berg v Negi 2007. Shirov ducked this with Nb3 and Anand took advantage. The Nb3 had real trouble getting into the game... so maybe it should have been sacrificed... |
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| Feb-16-08 | | Eyal: So far White has done pretty well with 12.Nb3, where Black's main move used to be 12...b4 (as in Shirov vs Karjakin, 2007 from the World Cup); perhaps this game will change that. According to the databases, 12...Rc8 was played in a couple of games before - one of them is posted on p.3 of this thread - but the idea to follow with the exchange sac was apparently Anand's novelty (in this specific line - the general idea is, of course, classic in the Sicilian). Still, the game was very double-edged after that and it seems that Shirov's decisive mistakes came only later - it would require a lot of analysis (and/or more games in this line) to determine how strong this Rxc3 really is and whether White can or can't "allow" it. |
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| Feb-16-08 | | Ezzy: GM Shirov,Alexei(ESP) (2755) - GM Anand,Viswanathan(IND) (2799) [B96]
Morelia/Linares Linares, Mexico (1), 16.02.2008
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Nbd7 8.Qf3 Qc7 9.0–0–0 b5 10.Bd3 Bb7 11.Rhe1 Qb6 12.Nb3 Rc8 <12...b4 is the main line >13.Qh3< Novelty I think. 13 Kb1 has been played before.> 13...Rxc3< This was the first type of exchange sacrifice that I ever saw when I started playing chess. The thematic ...Rxc3 in the Sicilian. Nice to see it played by the world champion.> 14.bxc3 Qc7 15.Kb1 Be7< Taking the pawn on c3 is not good. [15...Qxc3 16.e5 Nd5 (16...dxe5 17.Bxf6 gxf6 18.Bxb5 Qxh3 19.Bxd7+ Ke7 20.gxh3 Winning) 17.exd6 N7f6 18.Rxe6+! fxe6 19.Qxe6+ Be7 20.dxe7 Which is pretty good for white.] >16.e5 dxe5 17.f5 Nd5 18.Bxe7 Kxe7< I don't think Anand likes the idea of being a piece down for 3 pawns as in this line. [18...Nxc3+ 19.Ka1 Nxd1 20.Bb4 e4 21.Be2 Qe5+ 22.c3 Qxf5 (22...Nf2 23.Qh4 exf5 24.Qxf2) 23.Qxf5 exf5 24.Rxd1]> 19.fxe6 fxe6 20.Qg3 g6 21.Rd2< Shirov now has threats of 22 Qh4+ Kf7 (22...N7f6 23 Bxg6!) 23 c4!> 21...Rc8< And this solves all the threat problems.> 22.Qg5+ Ke8 23.Qg4< Shirov starts to go wrong somewhere around here. Perhaps 23 Qh4 keeping some pressure on the h7 pawn might be better.> Nxc3+ 24.Ka1 Bd5 25.Re3 Nf6 <[25...e4! 26.Bxe4 Nf6 27.Bxg6+ hxg6 28.Qxg6+ Qf7 29.Qxf7+ Kxf7 30.h3 Nce4 31.Rde2 b4 And black seems to have complete control over the position.]> 26.Qh4 Qe7 27.Bf1? Bxb3< [27...g5 28.Qh6 Nfe4 29.Rdd3 Qa3 Black wins]> 28.cxb3 Nce4 29.Rb2??< In severe time trouble Shirov blunders [29.Qe1 Nxd2 30.Qxd2 Was the only way to fight.] >29...Rc1+ 30.Rb1 Qc5 0–1 It seems that Anand was always in control of the position. Shirov’s king side play didn’t seem to get anywhere, while Anand’s queenside play had many nasty threats. Nice to see the …Rxc3 exchange sac from the world champion. It always confused me as a beginner, and still does J Nice start by Anand.
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| Feb-16-08 | | kiseiju: <chessgames> maybe others pointed out in the early pages; but the rating of the players seems to be wrong |
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| Feb-16-08 | | notyetagm: <Ezzy: ... Nice to see the …Rxc3 exchange sac from the world champion. It always confused me as a beginner, and still does> Confused Shirov, too. :-)
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| Feb-16-08 | | Eyal: <Ezzy: 23.Qg4 (Shirov starts to go wrong somewhere around here. Perhaps 23 Qh4 keeping some pressure on the h7 pawn might be better)> Or even better 22.Qh4+ a move earlier, where 22...N7f6 is more or less forced, and then with the pinned knight White has some more tangible target for counterplay with 23.Rf2 (as well as a better defense against potential e4 strikes by Black). After 22.Qg5+ Ke8, on the other hand, the black king turns out to be quite safe. |
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| Feb-16-08 | | MarkThornton: <chessgames.com> Where do the ratings come from at the top of the scoresheet? They are about 200 pts too low for both players! |
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| Feb-16-08 | | Eyal: <fromoort: Must be cg.com's little joke - when did Anand and Shirov's ratings drop so low?> <kiseiju: <chessgames> maybe others pointed out in the early pages; but the rating of the players seems to be wrong> <MarkThornton: <chessgames.com> Where do the ratings come from at the top of the scoresheet? They are about 200 pts too low for both players!> <chessgames.com> Does the 100th person who repeats this get a prize? |
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| Feb-16-08 | | Jim Bartle: No, it's just there have been so many posts about rating inflation, chessgames decided to apply some instant deflation. |
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| Feb-16-08 | | BalaKKa: See their ratings! I don't understand |
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| Feb-17-08 | | SniperOnG7: <notyetagm: <SniperOnG7: ... Kasparov's going to have a field day over Shirov allowing 13...Rxc3 if he hasn't already.>
Yes, that was my thought exactly.
Kasparov made -very- dergatory comments about Movsesian's chess understanding (or lack thereof) after allowing 13 ... c8xc3! in Movsesian vs Kasparov, 2000.
From the forum for that game:
<aw1988: Kasparov remarked 'You simply don't allow such a move, it's a matter of chess culture', and was horrified when Movesian played Bd3.>>Ah, you have a good memory notyetagm...I remembered seeing the game here but I forgot who Kasparov's victim was :). |
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| Feb-17-08 | | SniperOnG7: Btw, I would LOOOVE to have a rating of 2544...why are you guys jumping up and down about it ;). If you guys think it's low, I am willing to take the hit and be sacrificed for the greater good of a high 2700 rating by bearing the shame of a 2544. Okay, Fide, I have my rating. Give me GM certificate now! |
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| Feb-17-08 | | Ulhumbrus: 11...Qb6 loses a move with the Queen for development. It is possible that Shirov allows the exchange sacrifice while Anand plays it. This suggests a difference of opinion: Shirov thinks that Black will not get enough compensation for the exchange while Anand thinks that Black will get at least enough compensation for the exchange. 18...Kxe7 is a bold decision, keeping the King in the centre. One alternative to 20 Qg3 is 20 Rd2 getting ready to occupy the f file by Rd2-f2 and Re1-f1 An alternative to 22 Qg3-g5+ is 22 Rd2-f3 getting ready to double Rooks on the f file. 27...Bxb3 mends White's broken pawns, but at the price. Whichever way White retakes the N, he has to displace a White pawn which obstructs either the a file or the c file, thus exposing White on the file cleared. On 28...Nc3-e4 White's Rd2 is attacked, and it can't defend simultaneously the first and second ranks. One question is whether Shirov can do better with best play, after Anand chooses to keep his King in the centre. |
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| Feb-18-08 | | hedgeh0g: The ratings...THE RATINGS!!! |
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| Feb-18-08 | | SniperOnG7: LOL, what are their ratings? If not 2544, then it's a mystery. |
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| Feb-21-08 | | Oxford: Does anyone know what Anand's record is against Shirov in classical time controls? Most of Shirov's (few) wins seem to be in rapid games. |
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| Feb-21-08 | | percyblakeney: <Oxford> It's something like +8 -0 =6 for Anand in classical time controls since Shirov's only win 8 years ago, and several wins for Anand before that also, even if it's a bit unclear how many of those that were blitz or rapid. |
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| Feb-21-08 | | minasina: http://featuredgames.chessdom.com/s... post commentary http://webcast.chessclub.com/Linare... video Morelia-Linares 2008 round #1 summary with photos http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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| Feb-23-08 | | Oxford: <percyblakeney> Thanks! |
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| Feb-28-08 | | patzer2: Anand catches Shirov by surprise with the exchange sacrifice 13...Rxc3!? Apparently Shirov could have held with 16. Qg3 =, according to the analysis at chessdom.com in <minasina>'s post ahove. |
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| Mar-30-08 | | Yuri Y: Annotated game
CHESS >> Jonathan Berry
The Globe and Mail, Saturday, March29, 2008
Page R11 |
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| Apr-07-08 | | The Chess Express: <samikd: And refreshing to see someone with a Leko avatar say that ! ( I am kidding, of course. I like Leko)> I guess I walked into that :) |
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| Sep-03-10 | | xanadu: Nobody mentioned that in this variation, White left his Queen side without the protection of the black bishop, so all the tactics (including the sac) occurs on the black points: c3, a3, e5, c1, d4 |
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