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The 2nd Grand Slam Chess Final was held in Bilbao, Spain 6-12 September 2009. The tournament used the Sofia Chess Rules, which forbids agreed draws before 30 moves, and the "Bilbao" scoring system of 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss (though for ratings purposes the traditional scoring method is used). (1) Crosstable: 01 02 03 04
1 Aronian ** 01 1½ 11 4½ 13
2 Grischuk 10 ** 0½ 1½ 3 8
3 Karjakin 0½ 1½ ** ½½ 3 7
4 Shirov 00 0½ ½½ ** 1½ 3
Previous edition: Grand Slam Chess Final (2008). Next: Grand Slam Chess Final (2010).(1) Wikipedia article: Bilbao Chess Masters Final
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 | | Peligroso Patzer: <percyblakeney: Karjakin is in time trouble <but it doesn't look like a position he should risk to lose>.> ... in that respect being a lot like the position Shirov had against Aronion yesterday ... |
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| Sep-12-09 | | Hovik2009: Shirov has a good position and probably he will be able to convert that to a win. |
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| Sep-12-09 | | Hovik2009: it is time for Aronian's king to move his majesty to the battlefield! |
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| Sep-12-09 | | TheGadge: Karjakin looks like he's thrown it away, and Grischuk might just squeeze out a draw.. |
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| Sep-12-09 | | TheGadge: ...maybe not. Aronian missed Nd4 |
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| Sep-12-09 | | waustad: Aronian took the draw. |
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| Sep-12-09 | | TheGadge: Don't know if 33.Nd4 was actually winning, but cerainly worth a try. |
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| Sep-12-09 | | Hovik2009: <Aronian took the draw.> How dare he doing that! |
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| Sep-12-09 | | waustad: Grishuk made time control. He started the tournament well keeping his clock demons under control but has reverted to the get behind and blitz at the end style. It has cost him, though there is no guarantee that if he took less time earlier he would be in similar positions near time control. |
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| Sep-12-09 | | Hovik2009: in this last game Grischuk was real lucky, Shirov made three or four bad moves before time control, and now with same color bishops present the game looks drawish. |
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| Sep-12-09 | | frogbert: yeah, shirov donated 11,2 rating points to aronian, 2 rating points to karjakin, and 0,8 points to grischuk. generous and very little self-serving. i'd really wish he'd done a little better. in fact, he's the only top player born the same year i am, so there's one more reason to cheer for him. ;o) |
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| Sep-12-09 | | WhiteRook48: shirov has a bad tournament |
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| Sep-12-09 | | Billy Vaughan: Judging by your site's data, wouldn't Shirov have donated 8,9 to Aronian, 5 to Grischuk, and just 0,1 to Karjakin? Or am I reading it wrong? |
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| Sep-13-09 | | whiteshark: 7 wins 5 draws. Short tournaments with a 3/1 point system seems to work. Congrats to Aronian. |
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| Sep-13-09 | | wordfunph: time for me to sleep early...2nd bilbao tourney is over. hurrah levon! |
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| Sep-13-09 | | frogbert: billy vaughan, i'm not sure what you're reading, but if you consider this: http://chess.liverating.org/toplist... it says
aronian +11,2 (6 games)
grischuk +0,8 (6 games)
karjakin +2 (6 games)
shirov -14 (6 games)
did you look at a previous list? |
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| Sep-13-09 | | frogbert: no, you considered his actual games. :o) i simply looked at the accumulated effect. |
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| Sep-15-09 | | DarthStapler: I wonder if Topalov could have done as well as Aromian did if he played instead |
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| Sep-15-09 | | slomarko: and i wonder if Capablanca could have beaten AA in the return match. there is nothing like a good old "what if" discussion. |
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| Sep-15-09 | | frogbert: if you wouldn't have said that, i'd never replied to your post, slo! |
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| Sep-15-09 | | slomarko: i'm not sure you wouldn't have. lets discuss it. and if had they played 960 chess instead would have Aronian won with bigger or small margin? and also what would have happened if Nakamura would have played in this tourney instead of Karjakin? he toasted Karjakin in a match a couple of years ago, but Karjakin was still young, is that result meaning or not? discuss it. what about Shirov? if he would have been in better form where would he have finished? what if he had not allowed the Marshall against Aronian? would have he lost anyway or not? and what would have happaned if Kasparov from his peak year in 1999 played in this tourney? would he have finished first or not? what if Carlsen would have played where would he have finished? and what if the pre-Kasparov coached Carlsen would have played instead, would he have significant less points or maybe more because Kasparov due to his ego "infected" him too much with his style which is not suitable for Carlsen? and which of those 4 GMs would have managed to checkmate my grandmother in less than 10 moves? what if i would have coached her some opening first, would she have been able to survive more than 10 moves or would the GMs still outprepare her? and what if I had played in this tourney and had access to Rybka but only for 10 selected moves during the game, would that help me to make results against these GMs or would i have been toasted all the same? these things desperately need to be discussed right here on CG. i hope all kibitzers will put their input here, matematicians, philosophers, self-teached chess talents, doctors, chess patzers, commies, blitz specialists, historians, trainers, trolls, serious contributors, users with huge opening databases, those with secret 9 men tablebases provided by the KBG and CIA, i nearly forgot also the fanboys, the kibitzers who can speak only broken english why exclude them, moralist like Rolfo to give perspecting from the North, Kramnik bashers, Topalov haters, Leko admirers, UFO believers and Petroff deniers, i want you all here to discuss these important things on chessgames, on the internet. discuss, discuss, discuss... |
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| Sep-16-09 | | ycbaywtb: <discuss, discuss, discuss...> um, that's alot of questions, so i'll just say that in the upcoming major tournaments, i think anand will win in his and topalov will win in his, and in their WC match to follow, Anand will prevail, deepening his place in history before the next world champion, whoever that may be, is able to unseat him. no disrespect to topalov and his rating, i'm just guessing anand will prevail. later i'd like to see guys like Aronian and Carlsen have a shot at Anand, and perhaps later down the road Nakamura vs a current champ, for the good ol' USA |
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| Sep-16-09 | | HoLySmOkE: <good ol' USA> mmm not so good and even younger .. |
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| Sep-16-09 | | ycbaywtb: it's a matter of perspective my friend, perspective < mmm not so good and even younger ..> |
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| Sep-16-09 | | HoLySmOkE: ye.. especially if you are young and bad and waiting for some spanking :) |
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