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Jul-04-09
 | | Ron: Looking briefly over the discussion between 30. Bd3 versus 30. b4, it seems that a main critcism of 30. b4 is that, while it led to an endgame giving us a material advanatge, the endgame is really a draw, and one of those cases of over-optimistic comp evaluation. But maybe 30. b4 gave more practical chances for White than 30 Bd3.
The voting was lopsided:
30.Bd3 186 votes (70.2%)
30.b4 37 votes (14.0%)
30.Rc2 16 votes (6.0%)
30.Nc4 16 votes (6.0%)
30.Bb5 6 votes (2.3%) |
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Jul-04-09
 | | Tabanus: <imag> Good work! :) I checked 30.b4, <RV> had (30-ply) Update 2200 02Feb
1. (0.75): 30.b4 ...
2. (0.60): 30.Bd3 ...,
but 30.Bd3 won (70% vs 30.b4 14%) see around page 1099. |
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| Jul-04-09 | | Dionyseus: <imag> <The strength of Rybka 3 is just .... frightening > Wait until Rybka 4 comes out ;p |
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Jul-04-09
| | Tabanus: Yup. With 30.Bd3 we played as Rybka 4 ;) |
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| Jul-04-09 | | imag: <Tabanus: <imag> Good work! :) I checked 30.b4, <RV> had (30-ply) Update 2200 02Feb
1. (0.75): 30.b4 ...
2. (0.60): 30.Bd3 ...,
but 30.Bd3 won (70% vs 30.b4 14%) see around page 1099.> I read some kibitzing and indeed, 30.b4 line was probably drawn. So fortunately for us, it seems that Rybka 3 also makes mistakes sometimes. |
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Jul-05-09
| | Tabanus: Rybka 2.3.2a 27-ply
1. (0.72): 30.Bd3 Nf6 31.b4 Rxb4
2. (0.49): 30.b4 axb4 31.a5 Rb7
So 30.b4 became no. 1 at 28-ply or more. |
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| Jul-05-09 | | Thorsson: I'd be interested to see Rybka 3's in depth analysis of 30.b4. |
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| Jul-05-09 | | Hugin: I strongly belive the analysis showed if Timmerman had not played 36..Rc7? but 36..Kf6 he would still be able to hold a draw...Of course it was deep positional analysis that revelead that. |
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| Jul-07-09 | | whatthefat: <imag>
Fascinating work! I'll certainly take it in to account when I complete my post-mortem of this game. |
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| Nov-11-09 | | The Chess Express: I believe that the only way for The World Team to be seriously challenged is for another world champion to play us. Kasparov was able to prevail, and it will probably take a top 5 player to have a chance of beating us. |
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| May-25-10 | | TheaN: <The Chess Express> We were playing a World Champion here. And in the correct category, correspondence. When it comes to that, I would have given Timmerman better odds than Anand for this game. |
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| Jun-17-10 | | Hugin: The World vs Gert Jan Timmerman
click for larger view36. - Kf6
(!King is activated..much better than 36..Rc7? as in the game.) 37.Rc5 Ke7 38.Rxa5 Nc2 39.Kf2 Rb3 40.Ra7+ Kd6 41.Rxh7 Nxe3 42.Rg1 d4 43.Rh6 
click for larger viewA:43. - Rb2+
44.Kg3 Kd5 45.Rxg6 d3 46.Rg8 d2 47.Rd8+ Kc4 48.g5 Nf5+ 49.Kg4 Ne3+ 50.Kg3 Nf5+ Draw. B. 43.- Kd5 44.Rxg6 Rb2+ 45.Kg3 d3 46.Rg8 d2 47.a5 Kd4 48.a6 Ra2 49.f5 Nd5 50.g5
Rxa6 51.f6 Ra3+ 52.Kf2 Rc3 53.Ra8 Rc1 54.Ra1 Rxg1 55.Rxg1 Kd3 56.f7 e3+ 57.Kf3
e2 58.f8Q e1Q 59.Qf5+ Kd4 60.Qb1 Qe3+ 61.Kg4 Qe6+ 62.Kh4 Ne3 63.Kh5 Qh3+ 64.Kg6
Qxh2 65.Qa1+ Ke4 66.Qa4+ Kd3 67.Qa6+ Nc4 68.Qa1 Qf4 69.Kh7 Qc7+ 70.Kh6 Qf4
71.Kh7 Qf7+ 72.Kh6 Qf8+ 73.Kh7 Qe7+ 74.Kh6 Ne3 75.Qa6+ Ke4 76.Qxc6+ Kf4 77.Qa4+
Kf3 78.Qc6+ Ke2 79.Kg6 Qd8 80.Qe6 Qd3+ 81.Kg7 Kf2 82.Ra1 Ke2 83.Rh1 Qd4+ 84.Kh7
Qa7+ 85.Kg6 Qb8 86.Ra1 Qc7 87.Qa6+ Kf2 88.Qd3 Qc6+ 89.Kh7 Qb7+ 90.Kg8 Qc8+
91.Kg7 Qb7+ 92.Kh6 Qb2 93.Kh7 Qb7+ Draw |
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| Sep-03-10 | | dumbgai: 31. b4 is a wicked cool move to break the position open. Who first came up with that idea (please don't tell me Rybka)? |
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| Oct-22-10 | | Titicamara: 32. Bxe4!! |
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| Jan-15-11 | | ajile: 14.c5 was also a beautiful move that works with the unconventional earlier 10.Qa3. |
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| Aug-11-11 | | YouRang: Perhaps the most hotly debated move was our 25th, where we ended up picking <25.f3> by a handful of votes. Just for laughs, I thought I'd let a modern engine do a deep analysis on that position:
click for larger view Houdini_15_x64 @ 32 ply:
+0.39 25.f4 a4 26.Bxe4 fxe4 27.a3 Kf6 28.Rc5
+0.33 25.e3 a4 26.a3 Rb6 27.Rc2 Re6 28.Nd7
+0.29 25.f3 Ng5 26.Bf1 a4 27.e3 Rb6 28.Rc2
+0.27 25.Bxe4 fxe4 26.Rc5 a4 27.Rd2 Na7 28.f3
+0.27 25.Rc2 a4 26.a3 Re6 27.f4 Nf6 28.Bf3
+0.24 25.Bf1 Rb6 26.f3 Kf6 27.Nd3 Ng5 28.b3
BTW, as we suspected during the game, it appears Timmerman's best reply to <25.f3> was 25...Ng5, which lead to a very drawish game. He may have given us a little break by playing <25...Nf6> instead. |
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| Aug-12-11 | | YouRang: Another move I thought I'd ask Houdini to look at was our 38th. Here, we made a late decision to play <38.h4>, which many of us think was a critical move toward our success.
click for larger viewHoudini_15_x64 @ 34 ply:
+0.33 38.h4 Kf6 39.Rf1 Ke7 40.f5 Kd6 41.Rcc1
+0.31 38.Kg2 Kf6 39.Rf1 Ra6 40.f5 Nd3 41.fxg6+
+0.29 38.Rf1 Ra6 39.Rcc1 Nd3 40.Rb1 Nb4 41.Rfc1
+0.28 38.h3 Kf6 39.Rf1 Ra6 40.Rcc1 Nd3 41.Rb1
+0.20 38.Rc3 Rc7 39.Rdc1 Kf6 40.Rc5 Ra7 41.Rxc6+
+0.19 38.Rdc1 Ra6 39.g5 Kf7 40.h4 Ke7 41.R5c3 |
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| Aug-23-11 | | splatty: Correspondence chess is the biggest piece of pants in the world; everyone can just use Rybka or whatever to play all their moves; what a piece of crap*. |
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| Aug-23-11 | | Everyone: uses his own brain! You know, <splatty>? |
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Aug-23-11
 | | Sneaky: If that's the case splatty, get yourself a copy of "rybka or whatever" and go dominate the correspondence world. You'll be world champion overnight, just play whatever the computer tells you to. Simple as that. |
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| Aug-23-11 | | Kolyas: Sure <splatty> that's how we all play CC. Cuts down on the thinking. More time for drinking. I will probably be world champion next year. Long live the King! King Kolyas the first and last. |
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| Nov-02-11 | | whiteshark: RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR....
Engines revving on Dutch B-52 bombers ... |
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| Jan-15-12 | | truefriends: Naka played 11... c5 against Aronian @Tata2012, round 2 What did we have planned after that?! |
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| Jan-16-12 | | eddazeitz: <truefriends>
Go back to page 560-580! |
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| Jul-13-12 | | kangaroo13: i know found out about this game |
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