| Aug-30-04 | | wall: The rest of the game isn't known. Euwe recalls only up to this opening sequence. You would think someone would have kept score when these two met. |
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| Aug-30-04 | | Benzol: From 'The Games Of Robert J Fischer' by R G Wade and K J O'Connell
"...The score of this game is not available, but Euwe remembers that the game followed Botvinnik-Euwe, Leningrad 1934, for some way, Fischer got some advantage, Euwe pulled off something of a swindle and stood rather better when the draw was agreed". |
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Aug-06-08
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| Aug-06-08 | | Petrosianic: What makes you think nobody asked? This isn't the only missing Fischer game from the 50's. Games 2-4 of the Fischer-Matulovic match are missing (the one Matulovic won is the only survivor). Probably both Fischer and Matulovic were asked and didn't have them. Not every top GM in those days saved all his games (Keres was one of the ones who did). |
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| Aug-06-08 | | RookFile: It does seem odd, though. If I was a boy of 14, or whatever age Fischer was, and got a draw against a former world champion, I'd make real sure that game got published. |
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| Jun-24-09 | | jerseybob: I don't know why it should be up to Fischer to supply the moves. This is journalistic malfeasance. Chess Review's March(I believe)1957 issue featured a cover picture of Euwe-Fischer Game #1 being played and had the score featured in the games section, but gave nothing about game 2, beyond that it was drawn. That's incredible, but all too typical of the way American chess was reported back in those days. |
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| Jun-25-09 | | Petrosianic: It may have been a "courtesy draw" that they didn't want the public seeing. It does say Euwe stood rather better when the draw was agreed, maybe they didn't want us seeing just how much better. Fischer was considered a rising star throughout 1957, so if a game like this wasn't published, it's probably because neither side was very proud of it. When <The Games of Robert Fischer> first came out, somebody wrote Larry Evans, asking if Fischer had missed an easy win in this game: Fischer vs Saidy, 1957
Which he did, but Evans commented that there was something morbid about publishing EVERY obtainable game from any given player. These days, with databases, we think nothing of it. |
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| Jun-25-09 | | jerseybob: The way Fischer got mangled in game 1 I doubt he had courtesy on his mind. And even if both sides were deeply ashamed of the game, since when do they have the right to censor it? Needless to say , I disagree with Evans. |
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| Jun-25-09 | | WhiteRook48: please like every sort of game should be incorporated in |
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| Jun-25-09 | | Petrosianic: <The way Fischer got mangled in game 1 I doubt he had courtesy on his mind.> Maybe not, but if he's losing, he's not going to refuse a draw offer regardless of why it was offered. <And even if both sides were deeply ashamed of the game, since when do they have the right to censor it?> Since always. If all these years you thought you were a criminal for not publishing all of your own games, I've got good news for you. You really don't have any such oblibation. <Needless to say , I disagree with Evans.> 35 years later, Evans might disagree with himself. There were no databases then, people got whatever games were available from tournament bulletins, books, magazines, and the like. Magazine coverage was haphazard even for big events. <Chess Life & Review> did complete and extensive coverage of the 1977 Candidates, but very spotty highlights-only coverage in 1980. Several other players have Complete Game collections out now. There are entire US Championships from the 30's and 40's where I couldn't find more than a handful of games. which is very annoying, I admit. Anything that makes its way into a tournament bulletin, I hope would find its way into a database too. But trying to collect every possible blitz and simul game you can find, yeah, that strikes me as a bit morbid too. That's not to say I don't enjoy seeing some of them, so I don't always practice what I preach. |
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| Jun-25-09 | | TheFocus: Petrosianic,
I don't know if this is proper protocol, but in a game between Eliot Hearst and Fischer, you mentioned wishing you had xeroxes of Hearst's Chess Kaleidoscope columns.You can purchase CDs of Chess Life, Chess Review and Chess Life and Review for $20.00 at Tobychess.com.
If this is not proper protocol, then just say so. |
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| Jun-25-09 | | AnalyzeThis: <wall: The rest of the game isn't known. Euwe recalls only up to this opening sequence. You would think someone would have kept score when these two met. > I'm sure Fischer knew it. Shows you what Euwe thought of this match, it wasn't a big deal to him at the time. |
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| Jun-26-09 | | Petrosianic: <TheFocus> <You can purchase CDs of Chess Life, Chess Review and Chess Life and Review for $20.00 at Tobychess.com.> Yeah thanks, I got it a year or so ago. It's an excellent set, by the way, well worth getting. <Chess Life> was a great mag once upon a time, though I wish the set went past 1975. I've been thinking of getting a copy of Adobe Writer and making my own set to go up through October 1979 when Burt Hochberg retired. That's about the time that <Chess Life> began its slide into oblivion. |
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| Feb-10-11 | | TheFocus: In his research for his book <Endgame> Brady had found the score-sheet of the second game in Bobby's handwriting. You may read about it online at the USCF website. This is wonderful news. Fischer - Euwe
Ruy Lopez
match game 2
Notes by GM Lev Alburt
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Nxe4 6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5 8.dxe5 Be6 9.c3 Be7 10.Nbd2 O-O 11.Qe2 Nc5 12.Nd4 Nxb3 13.N2xb3 <An in-between 13.Nxc6 is met in-kind: 13...Nxc1.> 13...Qd7 14.Nxc6 Qxc6 15.Be3
<Euwe was well familiar with this position. 23 years earlier, against Mikhail Botvinnik (Leningrad, 1934) he played 15... Bf5; White achieved a better game after 16.Rfd1 Rfd8 17.f3 Bf8 18.Qf2. Later, a tempo-saving improvement for Black was found: 16...Qg6! 17.f3 (not 17.Rxd5 Be4) 17... c6, but even this may not suffice for full equality.A touch of modern theory: 15...f6!, with equality, is Black’s best, according to GM Roman Dzindzichashvili. Euwe chose another, already well tried, move.> 15...Qc4 16.Qd2
<In an earlier published game among masters, 16.Qc2 was played here. Fischer, however, goes for a more complete control over dark squares.> 16...c5
<Reacting to White’s threat of 17.Nd4 and 18.b3 (note how 16.Qd2, protecting the c3-pawn, created that threat).> 17.Na5 Qh4 18.Nc6 Rfe8 19.g3!
<A worthy finale to the white knight’s tour-de-force. White wins a pawn, while the damage to his king’s pawn cover is manageable.> 19...Qh5 20.Nxe7+ Rxe7 21.Bxc5 Rc7
22.Bd4
<Too cautious. After the forceful 22.Bd6 (no, the white king will do just fine without the bishop’s help) 22...Rc4 23.b3 Rg4 (or 23...Rh4 24.f3) 24.a4!, White’s advantage is bigger than in the game. Also very strong was the flexible 22. Qe3.> 22...Bg4 23.f4 Rc6 24.a4
<Fischer creates counterplay, and a diversion, on the queenside. Note how the character of play somewhat resembles the Marshall Gambit — except that in the Marshall many endings are drawish, while here they would clearly favor White.> 24...bxa4 25.Rxa4 Rh6 26.Qf2
<Stronger was 26.Be3, threatening f4-f5. After 26...Bf5 27.Rd4 Be4 28.c4 White is clearly better; 26...Be2 27.Rf2 Bb5 preserves Black’s remaining pawns, but takes the sting from his kingside attacks.Still, Fischer’s move preserves his edge.>
26...Bf5 27.Rfa1 Rc8 28. Rb4
<Not 28.Rxa6 Rxa6 29.Rxa6 Qd1+ 30.Qf1 Qxf1+ 31.Kxf1 Bd3+, and the rook is lost.> 28... Rg6 29.Rb6
<Exchanging one aggressive piece.> 29...Rxb6 30.Bxb6 Qg4 31.Bd4
<An ambitious 31.Qf1, going for the second pawn (as before, 31.Rxa6 loses to Qd1+) is met by 31... Rb8. Now if 32.Rxa6, Bc8 wins material. If 32.Qxa6, then 32...Be4, and the white queen is overburdened.> 31...h5
<A typical pawn assault, with a side benefit of proving a nice luft for the black king.> 32.Rf1 Bd3 33.Re1 Rc6 34.Re3 Be4 35.Qe2
<White misses a chance to better place his kingside pawns, thus securing his king’s safety, and an edge: 35.Qf1 followed by 36.h3, and then 37.Kh2.> 35... Qf5 36.Kf2
<White’s king starts his “long march” into an uncertain future.> 36...h4 37.Ke1 hxg3 38.hxg3 Rh6 39.Kd2 Bb1 40.Rf3! Rh1 41.Rf1, Draw agreed. <Could Euwe get more, for instance by 39... a5, or 39... Rh1, isn’t clear.Perhaps Euwe was happy with the draw (after all, he won the match) and also felt that Bobby, who played very well and indeed was better through most of the game, deserved this one draw. In a final position, White should hold, for instance, 41...Bd3 42.Qxd3 Qxd3+ 43.Kxd3 Rxf1 with 44.Ke2! and 45.b4.> |
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| Jun-29-11 | | TheFocus: I submitted moves 16...c5 - 41. Rf1 today.
Thanks, <CG> Staff. |
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| Aug-25-11 | | number 23 NBer: This is oddly listed as an 81-move game in the Euwe-Fischer head to head. 81 half-moves, I suppose. |
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| Nov-14-11 | | Alphonse1973: It's strange that apparently the game lasted 81 moves. Frank Brady says Euwe offered a draw "on the forty-first move" and that the complete score of "the Fischer-Euwe draw has (...) gone unpublished". I quote Mr. Brady: "The next day Bobby was back promptly at 2:30 p.m. for the second and final game of the match. This time he had the slight advantage of playing with the white pieces, which allowed him to employ his favorite opening strategy. Since he’d lost the day before, he was determined not to lose again. After an exchange of pieces, he emerged with a pawn ahead in an endgame that looked as though it would lead to a draw.
When Bobby offered to trade rooks, Euwe responded by offering him a draw on the forty-first move. Bobby pondered for a long while and, with no apparent winning chances left, reluctantly agreed. To wrest a draw from a former World Champion was neither small cheese nor minor chess, but Bobby was unhappy since he’d lost the match, 1½–½. Oddly, in the more than fifty years since, although virtually all of Bobby’s games have been analyzed and published—good
games and bad; wins, draws, and losses—the complete score of the Fischer-Euwe draw has not only gone unpublished, but the game itself has
gone unheralded in the chess press." (Frank Brady: "Endgame: The spectacular rise and fall of Bobby Fischer") |
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| Jan-06-12 | | Petrosianic: <In his research for his book <Endgame> Brady had found the score-sheet of the second game in Bobby's handwriting.> Why was it never published? (and where was it found?) My theory had been that it was a courtesy draw, but this doesn't seem to be the case. Black is decidedly better at the end, but not dead won, as I had suspected. His advantage is not so great that it would be embarrassing to Fischer to trumpet this game as a draw against an ex-world champion. Brady does seem to whitewash the story though, by neglecting to mention Euwe's swindle at the end, and giving the impression that Fischer stood better at the end (all he tells you is that Fischer was a pawn up, and had no winning chances left, he doesn't tell you about the losing chances). |
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| Jan-06-12 | | Petrosianic: <Alburt> <In a final position, White should hold, for instance, 41...Bd3 42.Qxd3 Qxd3+ 43.Kxd3 Rxf1 with 44.Ke2! and 45.b4.> Had a look at it in Fritz, which doesn't like Alburt's 41...Bd3 at all (it costs Black about 0.70 of his advantage). Fritz suggests 41...Rh2 as best, and after 42. Bf2 d4 43. Rc1 dxc3+ 44. Rxc3 Qd7+ 45. Kc1 Bf5 46. b3 a5 47. Kb2 Qb7 48. g4 Qe4 49. Qxe4 Bxe4 50. f5 Rxf2+, Black wins. |
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| Jan-07-12 | | Petrosianic: Fritz also thinks Euwe's last move was less than best, and that 40...Rh2 wins even quicker. |
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Jan-07-12
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| Oct-25-13 | | jerseybob: TheFocus: Just noticed, 2 years late, that the full games score's been posted. It's a great game, and I agree white somehow missed his way. After the massacre of Game 1, Fischer showed his true strength in this game, and I doubt Euwe was surprised by Fischer's capture of the U.S. Chp. a few months later. |
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Nov-23-13
 | | harrylime: Some interesting posts and good stuff.. Fischer only 14 years of age in this game playing a former world champion and a player rated in the 2600's at the time .. Yet we still get the 'Fritz groupies' in 2012, a full 45 odd years after the game, trying to prove a point .. lol |
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Jun-23-18
| | Penguincw: Video analysis of this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL1.... |
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