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May-13-17
 | | Fusilli: One of my favorite old Soviet school players. Forceful, dynamic play. Here's Kholmov taking care of teenager GK:
Kholmov vs Kasparov, 1978 |
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May-13-17
 | | Fusilli: Anyone else out there who beat both Fischer and Kasparov and was not himself a world champion? Ah, yeah, Larsen and Korchnoi. But Kholmov played Fischer only twice, and Kasparov only once. |
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Jul-03-17
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Petrosianic: Chicks? Do Russians say "chicks"? To describe girls, I mean.> They use for girls of this kind a word "тёлка" (tyelka or rather tyolka) which literally means "calf" or very young "heifer". |
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Jul-03-17 | | hemy: <Honza Cervenka><They use for girls of this kind a word "tyolka"> This word is in use in a newer Russian language.
In 1951 they used a word "devki" (girls,chicks). The story mentioned by <Caissanist> included in Russian version published on http://www.e-reading.club/chapter.p.... This is exactly how it should be translated: "We sit, which means Tarasov, Nezhmetdinov and I, we drink, then two girls (chicks) came." |
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Jul-03-17
 | | Honza Cervenka: <hemy> Oh, I see. I missed original text in Russian, which is very interesting. Thanks. |
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Mar-11-20 | | hemy: Information about Kholmov's conditional disqualification after the 2nd Soviet Spartakiad (Moscow, August 1959) in contemporary Lithuanian newspaper "Draugas" , January 22, 1960, p. 2: "The Lithuanian chess master (Russian) R. Kholmov was fined for unsportsmanlike conduct displayed at the Soviet Union Spartakiad.
He was drunk during the Spartakiad and was removed from the chess squad by the heads of the Lithuanian delegation. At the meeting that was held in Lithuanian Sports Societies and Organizations office, members of the Presidium of the Sports Council, as well as representatives of chess players, strongly criticized R. Kholmov, who, according to "Sports", did not work and systematically was drunk. Kholmov was asked to be disqualified for one year for this, but it was later decided to impose a conditional disqualification for one year only.
It was decided that R. Kholmov had already been punished by not giving him the title of grand master." Results of Kholmov on 1st board in this tournament - 4/6.
http://al20102007.narod.ru/team_ch/... |
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Mar-11-20
 | | perfidious: <hemy, I have read elsewhere that Kholmov had three suspensions for misconduct; is this true? |
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Mar-11-20 | | hemy: <perfidious> I'm not sure about the number of suspensions of Kholmov. I heard from other Lithuanian team members about him frequently having problems because of excessive alcohol consumption. I personally knew other Lithuanian team member, 3 times Lithuanian champion, Leonid P Maslov, who was super heavy drinker.
My post about Leonid Maslov:
Maslov (kibitz #17) |
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Mar-17-20 | | hemy: <perfidious>
<hemy, I have read elsewhere that Kholmov had three suspensions for misconduct; is this true?>I found about one more instance of Kholmov's suspension in the article about Lithuanian 1961 chess championship in the "Draugas", May 12, 1961, p. 2: V. Mikėnas came out the winner in 1961 Lithuanian Chess championship.
He scored 9.5 points out of 13. He was followed by I. Vistaneckis and D. Lapienis (8.5 each). Former Lithuanian champion, Russian grand master R. Kholmov was not playing in these competition. Recently he again started to disregard the decisions of the Lithuanian sports management.
He is therefore disqualified for half a year. |
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May-13-20
 | | eternaloptimist: I think that Kholmov was probably a top 25 player of all time until at least 1990 or so. He was definitely a force to be reckoned w/ on the chessboard! |
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May-14-20
 | | Benzol: <perfidious> Alan I originally posted the following on the Tarasov page back in 2010 but it might shed a bit of light on your inquiry about Kholmov so I've reposted here. <An excerp from Genna Sosonko's book "Smart Chip from St.Petersburg". Sosonko was interviewing Ratmir Holmov who had this to say
'So it turned out that Bronstein played a World Championship match in '51 and I was disqualified in the same year. For what? We were sitting around at a tournament, that's Tarasov, Nezhmetdinov and me, drinking, and two chicks came up to us. Well, Rashid was kind of in the way, he was about fifteen years older than Tarasov and me. You turn off the tape recorder now, turn it off, can you imagine if my wife reads this... 'Anyway, basically, Rashid was flushed, he was drunk, of course, he went out to the balcony and started throwing crockery off it - vases and plates. When Nezhmetdinov drank he had all kinds of psychoses, he'd lie down under a tram or do some other dumb thing. On this occasion nothing would have happened, other than the noise of the plates, but Kotov had to stick his nose into it. He started asking questions and whatever. There was an uproar, and the police came. To cut a long story short, they summoned all three of us to Moscow, to see Rodionov, who was chairman of the Sports Committee. Nezhmetdinov grovelled before him and they decided to pardon him as he was a party member, but Tarasov and I were disqualified for a year. They also cancelled my stipend, which I received as a member of the national team.'> |
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May-16-23
 | | fredthebear: About Kholmov: https://dgriffinchess.wordpress.com... |
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Sep-24-24 | | ewan14: How can the list of notable tournaments not include Ratmir coming 1st equal with Spassky and Stein in the genuine 1963 USSR zonal championship. ? He was robbed of an interzonal place by the Soviet chess authorities ! Did Korchnoi blame Smyslov ? |
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Sep-24-24 | | Olavi: Kholmov wasn'r robbed, there was always going to be a separate zonal, then reduced to seven players by Smyslov's connections... |
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Sep-24-24
 | | perfidious: What was euphemistically referred to in one of Korchnoi's game collections as 'internal manoeuvring'. |
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Sep-25-24 | | ewan14: Dear Olavi
What is your source for " there was always going to be a separate zonal " ? It makes it sound like the 1975 tournament Karpov won after Portisch had finished first or the major tournament Lasker won |
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Sep-25-24 | | Olavi: Dear ewan
innumerous statements by players who were involved, starting with Korchnoi's memoirs. Well contemporaneous sources, it's true I don't have Shakhmatny i SSSR here, but let's see, Schach-Echo 21/1963 reports about the semifinals of the championship and it says a placement in the first eight in the championship earns a place in the zonal, to be played in February 1964. But in fact they quote from the Neue Zürcher Zeitung. What is your source for "He was robbed of an interzonal place by the Soviet chess authorities !" |
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Sep-25-24 | | ewan14: Primarily Korchnoi's book |
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Sep-25-24 | | ewan14: Dear Olavi
Korchnoi did not finish in the top eight , and iirc he was surprised to get a " second chance " |
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Sep-27-24 | | Olavi: <ewan14:> The accepted version (also Korchnoi's) seems to be the first six plus Smyslov plus a distinguished GM who failed or did not take part in the Championship. It is clear that everybody knew that the championship was not a zonal. |
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Oct-27-24 | | ewan14: Dear Olav
Again according to Korchnoi the players were considering going on strike at having to play another tournament ( but were dissuaded by Spassky and / or his trainer ) IMHO this might suggest there were not expecting to have to play another tournament |
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Oct-28-24 | | Olavi: <ewan14> It is true about the strike and Bondarevsky's part in making it not happen. But it would be strange indeed if they didn't know about the separate zonal, since even the Swiss newspaper knew about it months in advance. |
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Feb-03-25 | | Petrosianic: I was looking at a 1974 Trivia Quiz by Andy Soltis, and it makes this claim. <15)
Q: A Russian grandmaster was once suspended from tournament play for a year because of conduct unbefitting a chess player-that is, drinking too much. He is ... ? A: Ratmir Kholmov> That's not mentioned in the Bio. I googled a bit looking for more on this and found this Bill Walls page on chess and vices: billwall.phpwebhosting.com/articles/vices_and_ch-
ess.htm
<Ratmir Kholmov (1925-2006) was a Soviet Grandmaster (1960) and Lithuanian champion 10 times, from 1949 to 1961. He was an alcoholic. He was once suspended for a year from tournament play because of conduct unbecoming a chess master (drunk in public).> This changes the story somewhat from drinkING to one specific incident. (Wall pads this page out unmercifully by giving separate listings for each chess player he knows of that smoked. That's so common, they could have all been listed in one paragraph.) Hmm, Kholmov was 10-time Lithuanian Champion, the bio doesn't mention that either. But this still doesn't tell us exactly when this happened. Keep looking, and we get this, which finally explains it: https://dgriffinchess.wordpress.com... <Throughout his career, he had a (deserved!) reputation for drinking heavily; it seems that certain elements of his childhood ‘hooliganism’ stayed with him throughout his life. Thus, in 1951 he was banned for a year, losing his monthly Master of Sport stipend, as a result of a drinking escapade with his old rivals Tarasov and Nezhmetdinov.> It also mentions that his win over Fischer was partly motivated by a fear of getting in trouble for spending half the previous night in the bar if he lost. Hmm, Kholmov vs. Nezhmedtinov in a drinking contest sounds like it would be really good. It's be like <The Lost Weekend: Russian Edition>. |
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Feb-03-25 | | stone free or die: <Petrosianic> - I'm a little surprised that a crusty old salt such as yourself wouldn't be quoting Sosonko's interview with Khalmov himself on the matter. Khalmov himself admits to his drinking:
<‘It’s true that I used to drink, and drink a lot, so to say. Would I have
achieved more sporting successes if it hadn’t been for the drinking? I
guess so, because afterwards there’s always a certain moral breakdown,
somewhere inside you realize that you’re doing something wrong. No, it’s
not the headache on the next day, it’s just that I would feel ashamed of
myself, I cursed myself and played less confidently, because with all my
heart I felt I was deviating from moral principles.> He also gives the full color (of course, from his side alone) of the incident leading to his suspension: <‘I underestimated myself in those days, believing that all the other chess
players were potentially stronger. So it turned out that Bronstein played
a world championship match in ’51 and I was disqualified in the same
year. For what? We were sitting around at a tournament, that’s Tarasov,
Nezhmetdinov and me, drinking, and two chicks came up to us. Well,
Rashid was kind of in the way, he was about fifteen years older than
Tarasov and me. You turn off the tape recorder now, turn it off, can you
imagine if my wife reads this...
‘Anyway, basically, Rashid was flushed, he was drunk, of course, he went
out to the balcony and started throwing crockery off it – vases and plates.
When Nezhmetdinov drank he had all kinds of psychoses, he’d lie down
under a tram or do some other dumb thing. On this occasion nothing
would have happened, other than the noise of the plates, but Kotov
had to stick his nose into it. He started asking questions and whatever.
There was an uproar, and the police came. To cut a long story short, they
summoned all three of us to Moscow, to see Rodionov, who was chairman
of the Sports Committee. Nezhmetdinov grovelled before him and they
decided to pardon him as he was a party member, but Tarasov and I were
disqualified for a year. They also cancelled my stipend, which I received as
a member of the national team.>
This stuff must be on the thread somewhere about. |
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Feb-03-25 | | Petrosianic: <stone free or die>: <I'm a little surprised that a crusty old salt such as yourself wouldn't be quoting Sosonko's interview with Khalmov himself on the matter.> I must have missed it. I knew Kholmov was a drinker, I just didn't know he'd actually been suspended for it. |
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