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| Feb-10-08 | | whiteshark: Süchting was a farmer. Due to this profession he could play only occasionally reaching usually a place in the middle. Greatest success was 2nd place at Hamburg 1905, ahead of Carl Johan Margot Carls, Richard Teichmann and Curt von Bardeleben. |
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| Aug-21-08 | | myschkin: . . .
"Country: German Empire"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_S... |
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Sep-29-08
 | | GrahamClayton: The Suchting variation of the QGA is 1. d4 d5 2. c4 dc4 3. ♘f3 ♘f6 4. ♘c3 ♕b6 Source: David Hooper and Kenneth Whyld "Oxford Companion to Chess", OUP, 1992 |
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Oct-08-08
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: <GrahamClayton>, how could Black play 4...Qb6? Perhaps his second move was 2...c6? |
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| Oct-08-08 | | syracrophy: I can't believe Suechting! |
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| Oct-08-08 | | whiteshark: Player of the Day
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| Oct-08-08 | | brankat: Master Suechting was obviously possessed of a considerable talent. He did draw against the likes of Blackburne, Burn, Schlechter, Chigorin, Pillsbury, Bernstein. And defeated Janowski, Albin,
Teichmann, Gunsberg, Mason...
R.I.P. Master. |
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| Oct-08-08 | | FHBradley: <An Englishman:> There is, indeed, a Suchting variation in the Slav Defence. It looks like perfectly playable, as Mr. Kamsky has tried it on several occasions. Why is Süchting called a natural player, by the way? |
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| Oct-08-08 | | FHBradley: Scroll down the review http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/jwa...
to see John Watson on John Nunn's Chess Puzzle Book. Nunn has some harsh words to say on poor Süchting (and many other past masters); the book would make an interesting reading: "The first was a tendency to make serious oversights." "The second problem area was an inclination to adopt totally the wrong plan." "The third main problem area was that of endgame play." These are the three main reasons for the generally weak play by past masters, according to Nunn; he uses as his data Karlsbad 1911, where Süchting scored -2 and tied for 14-16th among 26 participants: "In order to be more specific about Karlsbad, take one player: Hugo Süchting (1874-1916). At Karlsbad he scored 11.5/13.5 or 'minus 2', as they say these days - a perfectly respectable score. Having played over all his games at Karlsbad I think that I can confidently state that his playing strength was not greater than Elo 2100 (BCF 187) - and that was on a good day and with a following wind." |
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| Oct-08-08 | | whiteshark: <FHBradley: <Why is Süchting called a natural player, by the way?>> He was a pure amateur with hardly any practice. Ludwig Ernst Bachmann has described him as 'starker Naturschachspieler' He was born and lived most of his life as a peasant proprietor in a secluded village of a few souls named 'Brackrade' near Eutin in Schleswig-Holstein, North-Germany. The nearest bigger cities with chess societies, Kiel and Luebeck, were more than 40 resp. 50 km away. (Could you imagine how a peasant some 110 years ago, after a hard working day on the fields jumped on his horse to ride to the next town, play some hours chess rode back and stand up in the fresh of the next day?) Reverting later on <Karlsbad 1911>. |
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| Oct-08-08 | | FHBradley: <whiteshark:> Thanks for the explanation; most useful. |
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| Mar-16-09 | | WhiteRook48: hey, stop Suechting! |
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| Oct-08-11 | | brankat: John Nunn's comment regarding Her Suechting is ill-informed, arrogant, and downright silly. R.I.P. Hugo Suechting. |
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| Jul-15-12 | | Karpova: Hugo Süchting won a match against Carl Von Bardeleben with +3 =4 -0 in Hamburg, 1910 (while the 17th German Chess Congress was underway). Source: '(Neue) Wiener Schachzeitung' 1911, page 39. |
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Oct-28-12
| | GrahamClayton: Süchting's relatively early death was due to an incurable lung disease. |
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| Jun-13-13 | | Karpova: Suechting's father, W. Suechting from Brackrade, was also a chessplayer and participated in the Hamburg 1910 B tournament - group II (together with Lüth (Riga), Moewig (Leipzig), Barasz (Budapest), Domberger (Munich), Dr. Dyckhof (Munich), Kuczynski (Cöthen), Rausch (Eibenstock), Dr. G. Schmiscke (Berlin) and Wiegaud (Berlin)). Apparently, he did not fare too well and is not being mentioned any further. Source: Page 250 of the 1910 'Wiener Schachzeitung' |
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| Dec-31-15 | | thomastonk: The following game was played in the master tournament of the Niederelbische Schachbund (a former chess association in the North of Germany): [Event "See above"]
[Site "Hamburg"]
[Date "1903.07.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Carl Johan Margot Carls"]
[Black "Hugo Suechting"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C44"]
[PlyCount "66"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 f5 4. d4 fxe4 5. Nxe5 Nf6 6. Qb3 Qe7 7. Bf4 Nxe5 8. dxe5 Nh5 9. Be3 Qxe5 10. Bd4 Qf5 11. Nd2 Be7 12. g4 Qxg4 13. Be2 Qf5 14. Bxh5+ Qxh5 15. Bxg7 e3 16. Bxh8 exd2+ 17. Kxd2 Qg5+ 18. Ke2 Qg4+ 19. Kf1 Qh3+ 20. Ke1 Qg2 21. Rf1 Qe4+ 22. Kd2 Bg5+ 23. f4 Bxf4+ 24. Rxf4 Qxf4+ 25. Kd3 Qf3+ 26. Kd2 Qf2+ 27. Kd3 d5 28. Qxd5 Bf5+ 29. Kc4 Qe2+ 30. Kb4 Qxb2+ 31. Qb3 a5+ 32. Kc5 b6+ 33. Kd5 O-O-O+ 0-1 I think it is well-played and has a few moments. White's initial pawn sac is interesting. With 12.g4 he forced the events and got a slightly worse, but holdable position. 12.♗e2 was a much better choice. In the text Black had to give up an exchange, but it was perfectly sound because White's king was so exposed. Later Carls chose two times the wrong square for his king (moves 22 and 27), and then it was hopeless. |
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| Jul-10-17 | | zanzibar: "natural player" ... ?!
What exactly does that mean? Self-taught? Never read a chess book or periodical? A style of play? Also, what is the source for <whiteshark>'s assertion that he was a farmer? * * * * *
Nunn was perhaps overly critical of the guy's play - at least if one can trust EDOchess (which I generally do, for some reason, maybe the good graphics?): Suechting avg rating = 2423 (1893-1912)
Max = 2471 (1911)
A very consistent, and competent, player it seems. |
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| Jul-10-17 | | zanzibar: EDO link: http://www.edochess.ca/players/p550... |
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| Jul-11-17 | | Straclonoor: <A very consistent, and competent, player it seems.>
With game score +38, -66, =84 -:)))
Very competent-:)))
One of the Losers Club member in classical chess period. |
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Jul-11-17
 | | Gypsy: Chessmetrics Player Profile: Hugo Süchting
http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/Play... Born: 1874-Oct
Died: 1916-Dec
Best World Rank: #19 (on the July 1912 rating list) Highest Rating: 2594 on the March 1912 rating list, #21 in world, age 37y5m Best Individual Performance: 2662 in Karlsbad, 1911, scoring 8.5/17 (50%) vs 2664-rated opposition |
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| Jul-11-17 | | zanzibar: <Straclonoor> yes, I have to admit I glossed over the details, and rushed out my post only looking at Rod Edwards EDOchess graph. It suggests something interesting is going on.
I don't have time at the moment to investigate much - but I think Suechting played a few significant matches that are missing from <CG>. Clearly not all his results are here.
It's possible that he picked up a lot of his rating points from a limited pool - and the DSB tournaments indicate a more reasonable evaluation of his strength. Or he could travel poorly, or he could under-perform due to the grueling DSB schedules of the time (2, sometimes even 3 games/day). I haven't really played over any of his games - so I knew I was sticking my neck out a little on this. Still, the EDOchess ratings are usually pretty good, and chessmetrics seems to confirm - so, as already said, there must be something interesting going on (or not?). |
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| Jul-11-17 | | zanzibar: BTW- you can see a photo of him here:
https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2017... He's the most solid looking (costaud) one in the bunch - bottom row, second from left. One of my better artistic works, I might add! |
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Jul-11-17
 | | keypusher: < zanzibar: <Straclonoor> yes, I have to admit I glossed over the details, and rushed out my post only looking at Rod Edwards EDOchess graph.
It suggests something interesting is going on.
I don't have time at the moment to investigate much - but I think Suechting played a few significant matches that are missing from <CG>. Clearly not all his results are here.
It's possible that he picked up a lot of his rating points from a limited pool - and the DSB tournaments indicate a more reasonable evaluation of his strength. Or he could travel poorly, or he could under-perform due to the grueling DSB schedules of the time (2, sometimes even 3 games/day). I haven't really played over any of his games - so I knew I was sticking my neck out a little on this. Still, the EDOchess ratings are usually pretty good, and chessmetrics seems to confirm - so, as already said, there must be something interesting going on (or not?).> Of course you're not wrong about Suechting. He was a very good player for his time. The database for him consists exclusively of strong (eg Coburg) or super-strong (eg Carlsbad) events, so he typically winds up in the middle or toward the bottom of the crosstable. It's as if the only games in the database for Loek van Wely were from the Tata Steel tournaments, where he regularly meets opponents from the top 10. Van Wely is a very strong grandmaster who just won the Dutch championship for the 8th time, but if all you had to look at were the Tata Steel games, his win/loss percentage would look pretty bad. Suechting beat Paul Saladin Leonhardt in one short match and drew him in another (according to chessmetrics). Leonhardt was good enough to beat Nimzowitch in a match 4-1. That's all you need to know. |
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| Oct-08-18 | | whiteshark: <Player of the Day> Bio in German: http://schach-und-kultur.de/2015/04...
Game mentioned there: W John vs H Suechting, 1904 |
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