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Oct-18-14
 | | MissScarlett: According to Kasparov, this is the take-away fact you need to know about the man: <Reuben Fine played 25 games with five world champions and had a score of +3; which is amazing. +1 against Botvinnik, +1 against Alekhine, +1 against Lasker (only one game), and even score with Euwe and Capablanca. This is something that makes it more exciting for the audience because there is a fact. There’s something they can rely on.> http://chesscafe.com/text/gkint2004... |
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Oct-18-14
 | | SteinitzLives: Though Fine is easy to poke fun at, (isn't everyone?) had he stayed with chess (yes, yes, speculation is free), he would no doubt have won the U.S. Championship several more times, and maybe brought Reshevsky's rep down a notch or two. I am pretty sure Fine received consideration for invitation, and may have even been invited to play at the World Ch. tourney at The Hague in 1948, but he had made his decision a couple of years earlier to do the psychoanalyst thing. Sure, Fine could have been at least a challenger for the World Ch., at some point had he seriously stayed with chess, if not achieving even more, but we will never know. He was awesome in the 1930's that's for sure.
Middlemarch-like in length and in-digestibility, as Basic Chess Endings was and is, it was a pioneering work that no one else had even tried. I have to give Reuben credit for daring to take on such a daunting task. I kind of think Keres book: Practical Chess Endings was one of the healthier early offspring of Fine's flawed but creditable magnum opus. I would love to know what kind of conversations he had with Fischer in 1963 when Fischer played Fine in some casual games at Fine's home. |
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Oct-18-14
 | | chancho: <SteinitzLives> Fine never won the US championship. I'll assume you meant the US Open.
He won that title 7 times. |
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Oct-18-14
 | | perfidious: Fine was indeed invited to play in The Hague/Moscow, but declined due to his doctoral studies. |
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Oct-18-14
 | | perfidious: Or so one version goes, anyway..... |
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Oct-18-14
 | | FSR: <perfidious> As you probably know, Fine gave various and conflicting rationales for his decision not to play. For some reason the link isn't displaying right, but if you Google this - Edward Winter Reuben Fine 1948 - it is the first hit. Or go to footnote 7 of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reube.... |
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Oct-18-14
 | | perfidious: <FSR> I had read more than one comment emanating from Fine as to his reason for not participating, but never realised he had come up with quite so many rationalisations, if you will. |
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Oct-19-14 | | drnooo: Who can really say how Fine would have fared had he played. Not I, for sure. Not many have a whopping 71 per cent against some of the best players of his era. As Casey Stengal says, "You can look it up." However, just for fun let's say the match would have been held in New York.
A stones throw from his apt. Then what.
My hunch is he would have said yes.
Notice the distance and otherness of
Russia did not matter to Reshevsky.
Probably it was no single factor that
kept him from playing, though what's most interesting for me is that Fine had nothing much to say in 48, just a kind of whimpering dissembling. At least Reshevsky DID play, to his credit, but hardly to rest the notion that the Russians could cheat their way to the top. He was beaten and Fine certainly would have had his work cut out for him in that kind of stress and strain. The Russians had kind of a take you pick, any one of us can carry on the glory of Motherland, were not under the daily relentless push to beat the others whereas the American interloper had to pound away game after each game with them. Lurking also was the distinct possibility that were Fine going to start edging ahead then Keres or Smyslov could start throwing the games, which some say was exactly what happened. In the end that's likely what brought about Fine's run, a tremendous run, when it was only too clear that at least for another decade Russia would hold the reins on the championship by hook or crook. Told himself, I've done all I can, proved that I was ONE of the best if not THE best and this is as far as that road leads. In the end we'll never really know how good he was. My own bet, in a match with all the mobsters away from the ring, Keres would have taken him, not easily, but taken him nonetheless. Other than Keres, I wouldn't rate anyone else above him. |
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Oct-19-14
 | | FSR: Fine was very strong, there's no denying that - although he somehow never won a U.S. Championship. He played in one tournament in 1948, and it was the best result of his life. He won with 8/9, while Euwe could barely muster a plus score. http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/Sing... |
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Oct-19-14 | | RookFile: Amazing seeing Bisguier's name in that tournament. He is living history. |
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Oct-20-14
 | | perfidious: <FSR: Fine was very strong, there's no denying that - although he somehow never won a U.S. Championship.> True, despite not having to face Reshevsky, his bete noire in those events, in 1944. Arnold Denker defeated him that year in a memorable miniature. |
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Mar-24-15 | | TheFocus: <Combinations have always been the most intriguing aspect of Chess. The masters look for them, the public applauds them, the critics praise them. It is because combinations are possible that chess is more than a lifeless mathematical exercise. They are the poetry of the game; they are to chess what melody is to music. They represent the triumph of mind over matter> - Rueben Fine. |
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Apr-29-15
 | | offramp: <drnooo>
<My hunch is he would have said yes.Notice the distance and otherness of
Russia did not matter to Reshevsky.
Probably it was no single factor that
kept him from playing, though what's most interesting for me is that Fine had nothing much to say in 48, just a kind of whimpering dissembling...> This is the best chess poem I've ever read. Well done Dr Noooooooo. |
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May-03-15 | | TheFocus: <Chess is a contest between two men which lends itself particularly to the conflicts surrounding aggression> - Reuben Fine. |
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May-09-15 | | TheFocus: <The King is a strong piece - use it!> - Reuben Fine. |
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May-12-15 | | TheFocus: <I'd rather have a Pawn than a finger> - Rueben Fine. |
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May-15-15 | | TheFocus: <A plan is made for a few moves only, not for the whole game> - Rueben Fine. |
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May-15-15 | | TheFocus: <The first principle of attack - don't let the enemy develop!> - Rueben Fine. |
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May-16-15 | | TheFocus: <Discovered check is the dive bomber of the chess board> - Reuben Fine. |
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May-25-15 | | TheFocus: <Combinations have always been the most intriguing aspect of Chess. The masters look for them, the public applauds them, the critics praise them. It is because combinations are possible that Chess is more than a lifeless mathematical exercise. They are the poetry of the game; they are to Chess what melody is to music. They represent the triumph of mind over matter> - Reuben Fine. |
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Aug-04-15 | | zanzibar: Everybody always seems to show pictures of Fine from when he was young. But Edward Winter has a few good shots of an older Fine here: In particular, here: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... <In an e-mail message dated 7 January 2001 Arnold Denker wrote to us regarding Fine:‘... as a young man he was terribly mixed up and a horrible liar. That is one of the reasons my wife and I both allowed him plenty of space. He had a screwed-up youth and never really overcame his strong feelings of inferiority. Thus the bragging. My fondness for him was more a feeling of sadness.’> http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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Aug-10-15 | | zanzibar: Fine is somewhat (in)famous for his psychoanalytical interpretation of chess. But has anybody ever heard of Alexander Cockburn and his work, <Idle Passion: Chess and the Dance of Death>? |
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Aug-11-15
 | | offramp: <zanzibar: Fine is somewhat (in)famous for his psychoanalytical interpretation of chess.> Poor Reuben Fine. His works are scattered to ashes like that Eloi bookcase in The Time Machine. His games lie strewn in the dust and rubbish, trampled on by laughing conquerors. For is it not written (on this page, in fact):
"Babylon has fallen! Babylon has fallen!
All her idols lay scattered on the floor."
The ruined city lies desolate.
The entrance to every house is barred shut.
People in the streets call for wine.
All joy passes away,
and the earth's happiness is banished.
The city is left in ruins.
Its gate is battered to pieces!
Poor, poor Reuben! |
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Aug-11-15 | | Retireborn: <z> I *have* heard of Cockburn (awkward name!) although I've avoided his book(s). Edward Winter savages him here:-
http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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Aug-11-15 | | zanzibar: I generally try to stay away from names in my pursuit of humor, as too easy a target for an item gotten by virtue of name alone. On the other hand, I can't help but wonder how the name Cockburn came about. It's apparently quite rare in the US: <Out of 5,647,426 records in the U.S. Social Security Administration public data, the name "Cockburn" was not present. > http://www.names.org/n/cockburn/about
Where I was informed of the following:
<I do not know how you feel about it, but you were a female in your last earthly incarnation. You were born somewhere around the territory of Yugoslavia approximately on 1750. Your profession was entertainer, musician, poet, and temple-dancer.You were sane, practical person, materialist with no spiritual consciousness. Your simple wisdom helped the weak and the poor. Your lesson - to conquer jealousy and anger in yourself and then in those, who will select you as their guide. You should understand that these weaknesses are caused by fear and self-regret.> Not sure how much I like being referred to in the past tense, even if reincarnated. Oh well, better re-incarnated than re-incarcerated. |
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