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Rudolf Spielmann vs Emil Zinner
"Guess Who's Coming to Zinner (Phony Benoni)" (game of the day Aug-06-2020)
Vienna-Brunn (1937), Vienna AUT
Queen's Gambit Declined: Exchange. Saemisch Variation (D35)  ·  1-0

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Aug-06-20  goodevans: Black's failure to see the easily preventable 27.Qxc6! elevated this game from routine to most enjoyable.
Aug-06-20  jith1207: Thank you all for reminding about dinner, it wasn't obvious to me at least.

What's up with southern African countries like south Africa, Zambia, Zimbabwe and their affinity to the nouns starting with the letter "Zee".. Sounds like Afrikaans language has Ze as prominent sound.

Aug-06-20
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  OhioChessFan: I don't understand the last part of the pun (Phony Benoni).
Aug-06-20
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  OhioChessFan: Well, I get the pun on the homepage (by Phony Benoni), but not the pun on the gamepage (Phony Benoni).
Aug-06-20
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  sleepyirv: I would love to have Phony Benoni over for Zinner!
Aug-06-20
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  OhioChessFan: With zava beans?
Aug-06-20  savage sanctuary: Nice play by white... He didn't Spiel the beans, mann.
Aug-06-20
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  AylerKupp: <<offramp> The pun refers to the Battle of Zinner near the Benoni river in South Africa in 1904.>

Great BS statement <offramp>! I had never heard of the Battle of Zinner but it sounded plausible so I looked it up. And I couldn't find it, of course. But I did find a reference to the Benoni river although it's in Guyana in South America and not in South Africa. So at least you got the "South" part right, adding to the plausibility. And I'm happy that you never Boer us.

I am, perhaps not unsurprisingly, known as a good BS'er. I think that there are 3 rules for successful BS'ing:

1. Your BS statement must respond to another statement quickly.

2. You must say your BS with complete confidence.

3. Your BS must have an element of plausibility.

Many years ago, decades really, my wife and I were driving and she saw a restaurant named Masada, obviously Israeli. She said facetiously, "I wonder what kind of food they serve there."

Without a moment's hesitation (satisfying BS rule #1) I said very confidently (satisfying rule #2), "Japanese". Had I say anything else it would have been obvious I was BS'ing, but "Japanese" satisfied BS rule #3 and so she wasn't entirely sure whether I was BS'ing or not.

Fortunately after she found out I was BS'ing I was neither massacred nor buried alive, although our lives sometimes seem that they have been a decades-long skirmish.

But that BS example can't come close to my BS made-up computer chess engine analyses that I've been posting for the better part of a decade. Although there's is no way to tell whether they satisfy BS rule #1 (I have deliberately delay from posting them to make it appear that I really ran the analyses), they've certainly satisfied BS rules #2 and #3, haven't they?

Aug-06-20
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  AylerKupp: <offramp> Dang! I missed another clue that there was something else wrong with your post because I failed to realize that the two Boer wars ended in 1881 and 1902 respectively.

Again, good job!

Aug-06-20
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  offramp: <AylerKupp> LOL, very good. You are right about BSing people - speed is vital.

My current mission is to make each day's punster feel as bad as possible by giving a plausible, highly disturbing alternative explanation of the pun.

I did it yesterday:
Steinitz vs W Bolt, 1865 (kibitz #14) (pun: "Who Slain Bolt?")
<In 1921 the entire Bolt family were suspected of anti-British sedition, following a tip-off.

They were rounded up and all 18 were shot. The <Irish Times> had the sub-header <WHO SHOPPED THE BOLTS?> Good pun!>

There IS a Benoni is South Africa, though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benon... Believe it or not it was the setting for a film called "Crazy Monkey: Straight Outta Benoni".
That IS true!

I have a feeling that quite a few spot my gibberish but shake their heads and say, "That crazy Offramp!"

Aug-06-20
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  Phony Benoni: I'm not surprised nobody recognized that my user name is not part of the pun. This is known as a "mistake". I make enough of them to know one when I see it, but apparently other users have not shared this experience.

However, I am surprised that nobody thought of the "Wilderness of Zin", where Jesus was tempted by the Devil. (This is sometimes known as the "Wilderness of Sin", but I make no moral judgments on the region.)

The nomadic inhabitants of this region do not have the luxury of eating at regular times, but pm;u when opportunity arises. However, like many nomadic peoples, they are hospitable by nature, and ask only that you notify them ahead of time when a surprise guest is coming.

The formal notice is the simple statement:

<Guess Who's Coming to A Meal, Zinner>

Aug-06-20
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  offramp: I often wondered what "dinner" was and I only found out recently.

Whether you have it at 1pm or 8pm (or any time after breakfast) the largest meal you have in a day is your dinner.

Aug-06-20  morfishine: So, in the late 1800's, whats the difference between supper and dinner?
Aug-06-20  morfishine: Good Evening Dear <offramp>! I found the same results, in general, depending on what day it was or what time it was or what century it was

Using my research into the Lizzie Borden case, I've found that at that time, 1892, "Dinner" was considered the main meal taken first, sometimes around noon or 1pm, while "Supper" was the last evening meal with variable times based on interest

Of course, I may have this backwards, which in that event, flip Dinner with Supper and we are good to go

Don't forget breakfast, this is an important gathering of family to start the day, even if it consists of spoiled mutton broth

Aug-07-20  jith1207: Did they have something called "Lunch" in 19th century?

In our tradition, it's breakfast, lunch and dinner and no supper.

Then, there's a saying, "Eat like a King in the morning, like a bishop in the afternoon and like a pawn in the evening".

Aug-07-20
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  moronovich: I saw a cartoon the other day about a man who was sentenced to death,and on the very day of the excecution he took advantage of the local buffet.
He has been eating there for the last two months,constantly.
Aug-07-20
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  moronovich: <jiht 1207>

In germany they have "frühstück",which I think go a long way back.

Le petit dejeuner in France,is also a rather old expression.

Fro(like in german froh=early)kost in danish,my lanquage.

Aug-07-20  Diademas: Hi < moronovich> Texas abolished the "last meal" in 2011 after this incident.

<The furor arose after Lawrence Brewer, 44, a convicted murderer and self-described white supremacist, requested a last meal that included: two chicken-fried steaks with gravy and sliced onions; a triple-patty bacon cheeseburger; a cheese omelet with ground beef, tomatoes, onions, bell peppers and jalapeños; a bowl of fried okra with ketchup; one pound of barbecued meat with half a loaf of white bread; three fajitas; a meat-lover’s pizza; one pint of Blue Bell Ice Cream; a slab of peanut-butter fudge with crushed peanuts; and three root beers.

Brewer had been condemned to die for the 1998 dragging death of James Byrd Jr. in the East Texas town of Jasper; the slaying drew international attention and led to state and federal hate-crimes legislation.

The meal was prepared at the prison kitchen at the Huntsville Unit where Brewer was being held and served shortly before he was executed Wednesday. Brewer chose not to eat it, prison officials said.> https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/na...

There is also Ronald Post, who was sentenced to death in 1985 for the shooting death of Helen Vantz, a desk clerk at a motel in Elyria, Ohio.

He ballooned his weight up to a hefty 486 pounds, and than sought clemency on grounds that he could not be executed humanely because of his weight.

The governor granted Post clemency in December 2012 citing poor legal representation, not his weight. He died seven months later. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnew...

Aug-07-20
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  moronovich: Lol !

Thanks <Diademas> !

I think I can understand the staff in Texas :)

Aug-07-20  jith1207: Regarding the "Last Meal"

Guess who's coming to dinner?

Zinner.

Aug-07-20  jith1207: <moronovich>: thank you, I assume these words mean "early dinner", which is what I assume or at least we tend to mean in our region, Supper is, that is, dinner finished early evening.
Aug-07-20
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  moronovich: Right <jith 1207> !

And if we called the last evening with Jesus and his disciple for the last dinner,it wouldnt have the right sound,would it ?

Aug-07-20
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  AylerKupp: <offramp> My current mission is to make each day's punster feel as bad as possible by giving a plausible, highly disturbing alternative explanation of the pun.>

A good mission, and the more disturbing alternative explanation the better. Just don't go Don Quixote on us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo7....

<There IS a Benoni is South Africa, though>

I Googled "Benoni river" and the first hit I got was for the Benoni river in Guyana, so I went with it. So I am angry at myself for forgetting what is probably Lasker's best known quote, "When your search engine gives you a good hit, look for a better one."

How's that for trying to keep this post somewhat on-topic?

Aug-07-20  jith1207: Regarding the Last Supper,

Guess who's coming for Zinners?

Jesus, obviously.

******

If they had had Last Dinner late in the evening, Judas Iscariot would've fallen asleep in the garden waiting for the right time to come.

Aug-07-20
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  moronovich: <jith 1207>

;)

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