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| Sep-23-13 | | lost in space: 10. Kf1 Rd8 11. Qc4 or Qb3 and we have 2 game in the database; 1 ends draw, one with a white win. |
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| Sep-23-13 | | lost in space: Opening Explorer Here they are |
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| Sep-23-13 | | Robin01: So this is interesting! White has a rook, bishop and pawn for the queen, and white's pieces are a lot more active and developed. |
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| Sep-23-13 | | lost in space: Opening Explorer Still known ground. I was a bit suprise and puzzled; I thought Tom played 10. Kf1 and after 10...Rd8 White would have played Qxd8.... |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: One can say White's pieces are better developed, but for what? So long as White has nothing to really do with his development, it doesn't matter here...Gelfand has plenty of time to get his pieces out and working...the Q will serve as an "automatic" rifle and could be a greater threat later |
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Sep-23-13
 | | Bishoprick: My guess is that Gelfand just racked up his second win. As James Thurber once wrote, "Youth must be served, sometimes with gravy." But neverthelesss, it should be an interesting game. |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: Bishoprick: I admire your insight here...of course we know it's too soon to jump to a result although I can assure you, Gelfand knows what he's doing...if White knows what he's doing as well, then they're going to hit head-on! |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: Probably on first glance OOO would seem attractive to a lot of players, but in the long run, it could be a very grave mistake and I doubt White will play it |
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| Sep-23-13 | | beenthere240: I think Rad1 may be better. White castles kside |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: Black has just played 1...Nd7. it appears that OO or Rd1 would be White's best replies or at least, his safest |
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| Sep-23-13 | | lost in space: The last two games in our database had 13. b4 (draw) and 13. 0-0 (1:0) |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: But there's a number of factors one should consider by using games from a database: the strength of the players, the meaning of the game in the tournament, time control, etc...so it's not always wise to rely on those |
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| Sep-23-13 | | whiteshark: Btw Ivanchuk made his 2nd draw in a row in just under 20 moves. "... with [insert name] I make a draw when I want to - not when <Sofia rules> want to." :D |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: Ivanchuk might be learning how to do things right for a change...he tends to press too hard too early in tournaments only to lose too many...so he might be approaching things a bit different. In this game, Gelfand would like to provoke 1. b4 so he can play 1...b6 |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: So White just gives up the c5-pawn without incident.... |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: If I were White, I'd re-position the R's starting with 1. Rc1 followed by 2. Rfd1 |
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| Sep-23-13 | | lost in space: I don't like the 13. Rd1 idea as now white needs a lot of time to regroup his rooks. Form my perspective 13. 0-0 was better (maybe not best; 13. b4 was also an option) 13. 0-0 Nxc5 14. Rfd1 Qf8 15. Rac1 and the cooperation of the white pieces are fine - at least better than in this game. |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: It never occurred to me that White would want to repeat the position (yawn) |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: It makes sense for White to hand over the c5-pawn in exchange for repeating the position...NEXT! |
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Sep-23-13
| | Bishoprick: The equivalent of two pawns down against Gelfand? What are the odds? |
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| Sep-23-13 | | chessdgc2: Bishoprick: The odds? draw, drAW, DRAW!! |
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Sep-23-13
| | Bishoprick: Do not understand this draw at all. Someone want to explain? |
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| Sep-23-13 | | whiteshark: perpetual ♕ hunting |
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| Sep-23-13 | | JeffCaruso: After 15 ♗e5, the Queen must guard the d8 square to prevent mate. After 16 ♗d4 the Knight is pinned and Black needs to deal with the threat of ♖c1. Unpinning with 16...♕a5 is simplest but I don't know why he didn't try something like 16...♗g4 |
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| Sep-23-13 | | jphamlore: As one of Gelfand's seconds for the World Championship match with Anand, Tomashevsky probably analyzed the Grunfeld with Gelfand for endless hours, especially since the Grunfeld was likely to be played versus Anand. Therefore such a short draw is hardly a surprise. |
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