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| Mar-22-13 | | KnightPusher: Well, Aronian was pressing hard and is tactically brilliant vs. Radj in time pressure. Even if Radj had made the right move, Aronian could've won. But yeah, it was a big blunder. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | KnightPusher: p.s. not sure if winning a rook is "going for broke" in the Ivanchuk game. Since Kramnik ultimately didn't capitalize on that full sac. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | Sokrates: Agree with you, <csmath>. When playing the game again, it becomes apparent that Radjabov had no plan with his play in the second half of the game. He sort of marched on the spot, hoping Aronian would let repetitions become reasons for a draw. When Aronian kept on pushing, he looked confused, aimless. This was primarily a psychological win by Aronian, a slow strangulation of an undecisive opponent. Well done by Aronian, but sort of disappointing effort by TR. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | ColdSong: Impressively tense.One can certainly feel like an injustice the fact that one of these two lads,Carlsen or Aronian, will actually not play the 2013 World Championship Chess finale. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | JENTA: What is Radjabov's rook doing on g1?
With the move 43...Rh4-h8, black started to slowly bring his rook back into play (Rh4-h8, Kg8-g7, Rh8-e8-d8-d3).
Is it true that white had no time to send one's rook on c3, for example?After 53. Ne5? Qe4
white can try
54. Kf1
(instead of 53. Nf3) with the hope that black's queen is on the e-file and then Bh6+ ... Unfortunately, black's queen stands on e5 much better than on e4: 54...Qe5 55. Bh6+ Kf6! 56. Bg7+ Ng7 and black keeps his queen alive! After 54. Nf3 Nf4+ white is lost:
55. Bf4 Qf3+ 56. Kf1 Rd1 or 56. Kh2 Qf4+ ;
55. Kf1 Qf3 56. Bf4 Rd1 ;
56. Bd4+ Rd4 58. Qe5+ Bf6 ;
56. Rg3 Qh1+ 57. Rg1 Qh3+ 58. Rg2 Qg2#
This was for the beginners, but the questions is about why white is playing without a rook (if it is a rook on g1, then b3 is a passed pawn as well). The whole game is strange: white played g2-g4 after short castling 0-0;
then g4-g5 and Rg1 without achieving anything substantial (moves 19-28);
finally 41. Qg3-d3 to switch over to the center.
Since the move 28. Ra1-g1, the rook is standing on g1 moving only once g1-g2-g1 and finally killing white. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | Just Another Master: The commentators Short and Trent probably said it best, paraphrasing "Teimour never seems to really do anything" and against great players that means waiting around while they squash you like a bug. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | mrbasso: <Even if Radj had made the right move, Aronian could've won.> You don't have a clue about what happened in this game. Black completely spoiled his huge advantage several times and had absolutely nothing except for the better time on the clock. |
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 | | moronovich: <KnightPusher: Oops. Okay, how does one quote here? brackets? Carets? Hm? Please help.> < TEXT > and voila ! |
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| Mar-22-13 | | dunican: Thanks for the video <Eyal>. It must have been so frustrating for Radjabov, sitting there and fighting for six hours and then collapsing and simply blowing the game away in final seconds. |
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 | | PawnSac: <tivrfoa: big blunder. that's why I said that maybe quarters, semi and final would be more fair. Carlsen should be 0.5 point ahead. <boz: At this point they should sent everybody home except carlsen and Aronian and let those two play an eight game match.> yes.other players are unstable and this is bad ...> It's part of the psychological battle..
It's easier to stay cool when tied for first, or only back half point. but when there's a larger spread the pressure on the trailing players is extreme. They are under trying to find wins in every game, even drawish ones and tend to blunder when prwessing too hard for a win.
This is where Kasparov was such a great match player. Having played so many matches with Karpov, his nerves were tempered. He learned how to find genius without being suicidal. It showed in the match with Vishi. 8 straight draws, then game 9 vishi strikes first blood in a brilliant game. Garry steps up the play to another level and Vishi didn't win a single game after that. I'm not convinced the quarters idea would not be a better solution. Your idea is geared to help the weaker competitors. But this match is correctly set up to test the long term endurance that is required in match play, like the WCC. The two most suited for the match with Vishi are clearly Carlsen and Aronian. The continued battle will demonstrate which of the two is superior and equal to the task ahead.
And if this Candidates ends with equal score between them, then another two player match with first one to score a +2. OR the higher score after an even number of games white and black is the winner. The true champion of challengers. But this brings to mind another issue. What if Carlsen wins, but after the predetermined number of games in the WC match there is an even score? In such cases traditionally the champion retains his title, but i think that the match should continue until one of the players has a + score after an even number of additional games. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | madlydeeply: Reminded me of petrosian |
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| Mar-22-13 | | madlydeeply: All these comments about Aronian being "lucky"... What? Aronian kept up pressure in a complicated position with better time management until his opponent cracked. What is " lucky" about this? That's like saying the blows that muhammad Ali connected in the late rounds, after he bewildered and exhausted his opponent, were "lucky". Chess is a sport. That is the nature of sport. Carlsen and Aronian have the best stamina right now and they both know how to apply pressure on the board and on the clock. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | IndigoViolet: Fair comment, but I wouldn't go so far as to deny the existence of luck in chess. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | Caissanist: Chess has plenty of luck in the short term, but if it is real luck then it evens out. Players who seem to get lucky repeatedly are probably more shrewd than lucky. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | Ulhumbrus: Instead of 11 Nf1, 11 Bc2 keeps White's king's bishop. 12 axb3 is not necessary. 12 Qxb3 avoids doubling the b pawn. 14 Ng3 is inconsistent. Having given Black a backward a pawn, 14 b4 fixes it. Perhaps he thinks that on 14 b4 Bb6 Black free the a pawn by ...a5 to easily. In that case this casts doubt on the advisability of the move 12 axb3. 19 g4 is inconsistent. Why? Because White starts a king side attack after Rad1 allows Black to offer exchanges of rooks on the d file, the last thing which an attacker wants. 21 Rxd8 gives Black unnecessary relief. After 21 Ra1 Ra8 22 Rfd1 Black's rook on a8 can't both hold the a6 pawn and support the move ...Red8. This move suggests poor playing form on the part of Radjabov. 24 g5? looks like the first major mistake. White weakens permanently his king side pawns for a temporary attack which soon dwindles away. 41 Qd3 may be the final mistake if we assume that 41 Nxf7 saves White |
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| Mar-22-13 | | madlydeeply: Luck: a chance appears. Skill: nailing it. How to increase your luck chances: apply constant pressure in an unbalanced position moving quickly and accurately. This is a skill as well. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | IndigoViolet: Luck is quite an intangible property in a world supposedly defined by physical laws. I suppose good/bad luck has three connotations in chess terms: i)one could outplay the opponent only to discover that there's no victory, due to insufficient mating material, the threat of stalemate or the existence of a fortress ii)one's opponents play stronger/weaker against you than they do your rivals; iii)your (mis)calculations end up serendipitously. |
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| Mar-22-13 | | engineerX: <quote=tivrfoa>big blunder. that's why I said that maybe quarters, semi and final would be more fair. Carlsen should be 0.5 point ahead.</quote> Carlsen did not like the quarters, semi and final system, as it was used in Kazan 2011. He chose not to play there. He was perhaps the strongest supporter of the current round robin system, and FIDE tried very hard to satisfy him and have him play this time. I think both systems are decent, and likely to produce the strongest challenger. If someone is clearly stronger than the rest, he will prevail in both ways. So perhaps a mixed strategy is ok. 2011: matches, 2013: RR, 2015: matches again, and so on. |
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| Mar-23-13 | | KnightPusher: <moronovich: and voila !> Test post heh.
Also, mrbasso I often don't have a clue about chess but Aronian seemed clearly better in many senses even without the blunder. |
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| Mar-23-13 | | KnightPusher: Ah, wow, so simple! Thanks moronovich. |
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| Mar-23-13 | | csmath: <The commentators Short and Trent probably said it best, paraphrasing "Teimour never seems to really do anything" and against great players that means waiting around while they squash you like a bug.> This is perhaps Radjabov's attitude. He is very dependent on his career and he does everything possible to preserve rating. This makes him very "conservative" player and in all honesty he is not the only one like that. |
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| Mar-23-13 | | JPi: <madlydeeply: All these comments about Aronian being "lucky"... What? > "Only through luck I managed to break his resistance..." dixis Aronian... Nothing wrong to be lucky. It's even better when you know it. |
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| Mar-23-13 | | madlydeeply: < JPi: <madlydeeply: All these comments about Aronian being "lucky"... What? > "Only through luck I managed to break his resistance..." dixis Aronian... Nothing wrong to be lucky. It's even better when you know it.> Thanks for this quote, sir, it is refreshing to see that a fierce competitor also possesses humility |
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| Mar-27-13 | | notyetagm: <csmath: <The commentators Short and Trent probably said it best, paraphrasing <<<"Teimour never seems to really do anything">>> and against great players that means waiting around while they squash you like a bug.>
This is perhaps Radjabov's attitude. He is very dependent on his career and he does everything possible to preserve rating. This makes him very "conservative" player and in all honesty he is not the only one like that.> Also could be Radjabov's chess upbringing. He was playing very strong players (Kasparov) early in his career and a draw was a good result. So perhaps the lesson he learned was to do nothing, make no mistakes, and let your strong opponent go wrong trying to defeat you. |
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| Mar-28-13 | | Everett: Radjabovs work with the KID, which proved so inspiring to chess fans around the world, seems to be outlier behavior for him. In his early days he played enterprising Dutch and French set-ups, the the KID, and now... And he seems to not be able to put pressure on his opponents as White. I hope he finds some more life in his games, and bounces back after this tough tournament. |
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