Dec-11-11
 | | Penguincw: Kind of boring rather. Anand's draw streak to 3 games now. |
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| Dec-11-11 | | dusk: Why did they draw this game?Couldn't Magnus win with this extra d pawn? |
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| Dec-11-11 | | Resignation Trap: Maybe Carlsen gave him an extra half-point as a birthday gift? |
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| Dec-11-11 | | WiseWizard: I think the gift was 17. Rfc1, allows Carlsen to free himself and reach 'dead-eye equality'. |
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| Dec-11-11 | | frogbert: how does carlsen keep the pawn, dusk? |
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| Dec-11-11 | | WiseWizard: The speed in which Carlsen reached this draw shows world champion skill. After 17. Rfc1, the first opportunity to do so, he goes for a long think and immediately equalizes even ending a half-tempo up. The reason you don't see long, fighting games with these two is because all the battles are fought beneath the surface, these two don't allow a seed of an advantage to be planted against their position. Very good annotation on this game from GM Kamil Milton on chessbomb.com. |
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| Dec-12-11 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<WiseWizard>
I think it has more to do with the biteless nature of this entire variation, which was tested with both colours by Karpov and Kasparov back in their first championship match. Bogdan Lalic, in his book for Everyman on the Bg5 variations of the Queen's Gambit Declined, mentioned 16. Qd3 might be a better try for some pressure. A more dynamic handling by black would be to play 11...c6, with ...a5 to hit the b4 pawn. I am not sure why Magnus would choose this line at all. He had no winning chances, with the result Kramnik has a golden opportunity to win this year's Classic later on today. |
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| Dec-12-11 | | WiseWizard: <SimonWebbsTiger> I was talking about the accuracy of Carlsen's thought process after 17. Rfc1. |
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| Dec-12-11 | | acirce: <SimonWebbsTiger> Kasparov says in his first book on those matches that <only 16.Qd3 gives chances of an advantage>. But after 16.Qc2, he says 16..Rfc8! (Kasparov-Karpov, game 42 in their first match) is the most accurate (a "micro-improvement" on 16..Rfd8 as played by Karpov in game 38), but that Black has obtained "acceptable positions" even with 16..Rab8 as played here. He doesn't mention 17.Rfc1 but of course that seems simply to allow simplification and an easy draw, typically for Anand's ambitions of late. As for why Carlsen didn't choose a more ambitious line himself, well it's quite unlikely you will manage to beat Anand with Black and Carlsen couldn't know Kramnik would beat McShane. |
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| Dec-12-11 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<acirce>
just caught the Chessbase report with post mortem. Anand describes 17. Rfc1 as a fingerfehler and that he basically hadn't expected this variation and was confused. @<wisewizard> ah, ok. I misunderstood you. |
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| Dec-12-11 | | mike1: Do not understand what some posters are talking about... a draw against Anand (especially with Black) is ALWAYS an exceptable result and will be for a long time into the future. |
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| Dec-12-11 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<mike1> and also <acirce>
I was thinking of Magnus' ambitions.
Of course it is not the easiest proposition in the world to play Anand for a win with either colour! I just thought Magnus would want a position with better chances for two results, since he had his chances for a first place again. |
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| Dec-12-11 | | anandrulez: The WC is getting used to "I am getting confused" more and is kinda not excting for chess fans ! |
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| Dec-12-11 | | WiseWizard: I must say you are one of the most interesting posters for the fact that you have Anand in your avatar and in your username yet 90% of your posts are berating him and you justify this by projecting yourself as a fan who just wants to see his hero play better. It's getting old, If you don't like his games, stop watching. |
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Jan-12-12
| | Penguincw: For me, after 10.cxd5, the game was already going to look drawn to me. |
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