| Feb-25-09 | | whatthefat: Is White's opening really satisfactory here? I find it difficult to believe that the pressure on the d5 square is sufficient to compensate for the wasted tempo. |
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Feb-25-09
 | | tamar: GM Rogozenco says this is a win for White in the final position if he plays 48 e4 Anyone done analysis? |
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| Feb-25-09 | | Aspirador: <tamar> Quite right, definitely white plays for a win. Anybody know why Ivanchuk agreed to a draw here? |
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| Feb-25-09 | | justinbel: the draw offer was a good sportiveness gesture to compensate Domínguez for having threw some pieces from the board in the time pressure phase of the game |
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| Feb-25-09 | | Aspirador: <justinbel> Who? Ivanchuk threw pieces off the board? |
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| Feb-25-09 | | BurningSun: Ivanchuk is a Real Madrid fan so wanted to get to his Hotel to watch the game. |
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| Feb-26-09 | | Kaspykov: Ivanchuk threw pieces off the board?
hahahahaha Ivanchuk stop it please....
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| Feb-26-09 | | Aspirador: http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt... |
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| Feb-26-09 | | acirce: <Both players were very short on time and Ivanchuk on several occasions knocked the pieces over accidentally. Dominguez, displaying a sportsmanlike attitude, put the pieces back on his own time despite risking a loss. The Ukrainian, in the end, rewarded his opponent with a draw despite having a decisive advantage., put the pieces back on his own time despite risking a loss. The Ukrainian, in the end, rewarded his opponent with a draw despite having a decisive advantage.> Very sportsmanlike by Ivanchuk, indeed. Don't know what Dominguez' "sportsmanlike attitude" is supposed to consist of, though. Ivanchuk should obviously adjust his pieces on his own time and not insisting on that when you're in mad time trouble just seems foolish. To me, the notion of sportsmanship does not include letting your opponent go away with grave rule violations that might cost you the game. |
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| Feb-26-09 | | zanshin: <tamar: GM Rogozenco says this is a win for White in the final position if he plays 48 e4> Out of curiosity, I ran the final position by Rybka 3. Fwiw, she agrees with Rogozenco. After <47...Rd6>
click for larger view [+3.26] d=20 48.e4 Bxd4 49.Rd2 Bf6 50.e5 Bxe5 51.Rxe5 Rd8 52.Ree2 Rc7 53.Re3 Rc5 (0:05.10) 37345kN |
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Feb-26-09
| | tamar: thanks <zanshin> looks clear enough if Black grabs d4. But that is a monster machine. Not sure from the accounts that Ivanchuk realized how big his advantage was when he offered the draw. |
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| Feb-26-09 | | sheaf: <Very sportsmanlike by Ivanchuk, indeed. Don't know what Dominguez' "sportsmanlike attitude" is supposed to consist of, though. Ivanchuk should obviously adjust his pieces on his own time and not insisting on that when you're in mad time trouble just seems foolish. To me, the notion of sportsmanship does not include letting your opponent go away with grave rule violations that might cost you the game.> Sportsmanlike behaviour is trying to get the best result possible in a given situation, given that Dominguez's gamble worked and he got a draw..so, I think it was quite sportsmanlike ;-)... |
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| Feb-26-09 | | unsound: <Sportsmanlike behaviour is trying to get the best result possible in a given situation> No it isn't. That's unbridled competitiveness. Being sportsmanlike is putting fairness and courtesy first. To me both players showed very sportsmanlike behavior--I suppose you could argue, even more than they should have felt obliged to. |
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| Feb-26-09 | | zanshin: <tamar> Just looking at the position after <48.e4>, the fork threatened by e5 looks strong. I forced 48.e4 and asked Rybka for the top 4 lines. I'm pretty sure both players knew this was a win for White if they played it through. After <48.e4>
[+2.95] d=18 48...Kg8 49.Bxf7 Kxf7 50.e5 Rxd4 51.exf6 Rd7 52.Kxh6 g4 53.Kg5 Rcd3 54.Rfe5 R7d5 55.R2e3 b5 56.Rxd3 (0:13.46) 240228kN [+2.95] d=17 48...Kf8 49.Bxf7 Kxf7 50.e5 Rxd4 51.exf6 Rd7 52.Kxh6 g4 53.Kg5 Rcd3 54.Rfe5 R7d5 55.R2e3 b5 56.Rxd3 (0:13.45) 240121kN [+3.30] d=17 48...Bxd4 49.Rd2 Bf6 50.e5 Bxe5 51.Rxe5 Rd8 52.Re3 Rc5 53.Red3 Rd6 54.Bb3 Rf6 55.Bd1 Ra5 56.f3 Rc6 57.Rd7 Rac5 58.R2d3 Rc3
(0:13.45) 240121kN
[+3.74] d=15 48...Kh7 49.Bb3 Rxb3 50.axb3 Bxd4 51.Rxf7 Kg8 52.e5 Re6 53.Ra7 Bc5 54.Rd2 Rxe5 55.Rd8 Bf8 56.Rxa3 Rf5 57.Ra7 Rf6 58.Rb7 Kh8 59.f3 Rxf3 60.Rxb6 (0:00.58) 7588kN 
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| Feb-26-09 | | Bears092: Does anyone know how bad the time pressure was? This only makes sense to me if Dominguez was down to only a few seconds and spent a few minutes cleaning up Ivanchuk's sloppiness |
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| Mar-13-09 | | greenquark: with 39...Rxd4 Dominguez would have evened the game.... |
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| Jul-27-09 | | Dr. J: Couldn't Dominguez have won by 18 ... f6 19 Bc7 Qd7? |
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Dec-30-09
 | | Domdaniel: <whatthefat> I think White's opening is satisfactory. I've played this line from both sides - as has Ivanchuk. Check out his recent (2009) loss to Gelfand where he played 9...Bc5. It's a Symmetrical English, of course, probably [A32] - the 'Zukertort, Sicilian invitation' designation used here applies just to 1.Nf3 c5. But it then transposes into a position that can be reached in many different ways. I found an old game of mine as black that went 1.d4 e6 2.g3 c5 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.c4 cxd4 etc. Normal is 1.c4 c5 or 1.Nf3 c5, but there are countless possible transpositions. |
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