Feb-01-04 | | Catfriend: 52.♔c5 ♖:♕a3 53.b:♖a3 ♕c3 54.♔b6 ♕:d4+winning.
Isn't 36.♗:f5 better? |
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May-28-04 | | Catfriend: Oops. I see that for some reason I did NOT add this to my most marvelous and brilliant collection.. O.K it's in, now! |
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Sep-20-04 | | iron maiden: An extra queen, and still he loses! BTW shouldn't this be "Queen Kong"? |
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Sep-20-04 | | patzer2: Kong's 33...R8e3!! is not only a strong double attack move, but it creates an amusing, almost hilarious, position. Instead of moving his enprise Rook, Black actually moves his other rook into a double attack (knight fork) in order to create his own more decisive "double attack." |
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Sep-20-04 | | IT4LICO: This game of the day was made only to call it "king kong":D |
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Sep-20-04 | | patzer2: <IT4LICO> Perhaps so. But I still found Black's play surprisingly strong and very instructive. Black's sharp play against White's two Queens is certainly worth the price of admission. |
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Sep-20-04 | | kevin86: What a strange beginning-and a wild ending! White doesn't care much for his queen's bishop;he exchanges it for blacks king knight at move three! I've really seen a game of such unusual sacs and uneven exchanges. Both sides promote-and black-who achieved rook,knight,bishop for his original lady proceeds to win with a new one. BTW,doesn't this game make white a bigimist and black a remarried widower? |
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Sep-20-04 | | deshad: Doubling the f pawns seems counterproductive to white's strategy of an all-out kingside attack. The doubled pawns actually strengthen the black king's defenses. White then has to spend 8 of his first 19 moves getting the knights into position. By then, black's pieces are coordinated and ready to counterattack. |
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Sep-20-04 | | midknightblue: Are you guys familiar with the tromposwky opening. Must admit that I haven's studied it much, but white's Bxf6 is a book move, that appears to be very sound. According to opening explorer, white generally has good results with it.
I thought white was fine til much later in the game. Trying to figure out if white could have won or drawn if he had come up with a better move than 50 cxd4. Of course, the only other candidate move is Ka4 to get out of check and avoid a fork. I think he has good chances after that move, but I am at work and no time to look at it in depth. Any thoughts? |
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Sep-20-04 | | Hoozits: I have been studying the Tromp lately, Midknight (and with decent results). I might say it's a good choice especially if you don't have a lot of time to devote to studying opening theory. It seems to be an opening that frustrates beginners and intermediate players, lends itself to rapid piece activity and provides for solid play all the way around. I recommend it. |
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Sep-20-04 | | azaris: I've tried the Trompowsky a few times, but the light square weakness gets annoying since your pawns get stuck on d4-e3-f2. Black also seems to have enough time to muster up a defense. Here's what I got out of it once: [White "azaris"]
[Black "gothicgirl"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 h6?! ( Waste of time. ) 3. Bxf6 exf6 4. e3 d5 5. c4 Bb4+ 6. Nc3 O-O 7. Qb3 Bxc3+ 8. Qxc3 dxc4 9. Bxc4 a6 10. Ne2 b5 11. Bb3 Bb7 12. O-O Nd7 13. Rac1 Rc8 14. Nf4 c5 15. Bc2!? ( Luring my opponent to an ambush. ) cxd4? 16. Qd3! Rxc2 17. Qxc2 Ne5 18. Rfd1 d3 19. Qb3 Qd7 20. Nxd3 Qg4 21. Ne1? h5?! ( 21...Nf3+! and White is winning. ) 22. Rd4 Qg6 23. Kf1 Ng4 24. f3! ( When your opponent has a plan, sometimes it makes sense to accelerate it before she is prepared to execute it properly. Now the knight is trapped. ) Nxh2+ 25. Ke2 Qg3 26. Rcd1 h4 27. Rd4d8 Rxd8? ( Suicidal. ) 28. Rxd8+ Kh7 29. Qxf7 Bxf3+ 30. gxf3 1-0 |
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Sep-20-04 | | The Backward Pawn: :midknightblue: "Trying to figure out if white could have won or drawn if he had come up with a better move than 50 cxd4" 50. Ka4 loses to Be8+ followed by a Nc6+ winning a queen
Or
50. Ka4 Be8+ 51. Qxe8 Rxe8 and white looks pretty lost with black threatening 52..Ra8+, and if 52. Kb4 then 52...Nc2+ |
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Sep-20-04 | | Andrew Chapman: How about 13Nf4 rather than g3, with threats against g6, and preparing f3 and g4? |
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Sep-21-04 | | patzer2: After 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5, I like 2...Ne4! (almost the mainline nowadays) as in Kiril Georgiev vs Grischuk, 2004 or Aronian vs Short, 2004. |
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Sep-21-04 | | azaris: <2...Ne4> *is* the mainline, but I don't think it's an exclamation move per se. After 3. ♗f4 (I think Trompowsky played 3. ♗h4!?) 3...d5 is very strong and almost deseves the exclam but White still has methods for keeping the initiative. 4. ♘d2 ♗f5 5. e3 e6 6. ♗d3 as played in Adams vs Stohl, 1992 (Adams hasn't always played 1. e4) looks promising for White. The knight really has to future on e4 and Black should therefore consider whether trying to keep it there is worth more trouble than it's good. |
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Sep-21-04 | | refutor: depasquale invented the intereresting 3.h4 after 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 C Depasquale vs Kudrin, 1986 |
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Sep-21-04 | | patzer2: <azaris> <refutor> Thanks for the interesting observations on 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 Ne4 (which has worked well for me in tournament play). Will do some research your posts. However my initial observation is that Short and Grischuk at 2700+ ratings were probably well aware of these possibilities from 1986 and 1992 when they won with 2...Ne4 against very strong opponents in 2004. |
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Sep-21-04 | | azaris: <patzer2> Both the Short and Grischuk games were rapid, that's hardly the place where rigorous opening preparation matters. I doubt Georgiev or Aronian play the Tromposwky at classical time lengths. |
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Sep-21-04 | | acirce: Personally I like the positional 2..e6, often giving Black the bishop pair in return for White's lead in development. Sometimes Black returns the bishop pair by exchanging one of them for a knight on c3 but that gives White doubled pawns instead - chess, a battle between imbalances. (For example 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 e6 3.e4 h6 4.Bxh6 Qxf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Qd2 c5 7.a3 Bxc3 8.bxc3 d6) I want to share some of the thoughts on the Tromp from Joe Gallagher in his <Beating the Anti-King's Indians> though, where he does NOT recommend letting White capture on f6. The whole book is of course written from the perspective of KID players. Anyway, so after the starting moves 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3.Bh4:
<This retreat was once quite popular but is now rarely seen. This is no doubt due to a number of heavy defeats which White suffered in the latter half of the 1980s. The drawback of Bh4, as opposed to Bf4, is that Black is able to force the exchange of knight for bishop and consequently obtains counterplay on the dark squares. This may sound contradictory to those of you who have just read the introduction to this chapter where I stated that 3.Bxf6 should be avoided, but the difference there is that the pawn structure makes it hard for Black to acheive active play.>
He gives the main continuation as 3..g5 (3..c5 right away is equally good, transposing) 4.f3 gxh4 5.fxe4 c5 6.e3 Bh6 7.Kf2 cxd4 8.exd4 Qb6 9.Nc3 e6! <Taking the b-pawn is a risky business..> and <Anyway the main purpose behind ..Qb6 was to create pressure along the important g1-a7 diagonal which happens to number the white king amongst its occupants. The text, of course, maintains the position of the queen by preventing Nd5.> 3.h4:
<The 'h4 Tromp', introduced as a stopgap between the fading 3.Bh4 and the rising 3.Bf4, has been the subject of much ridicule and laughter over the years. From a purely chess point of view it is hard to believe in this line but in practice White has actually scored quite well. Perhaps this is due to the psychological impact that a move such as 3.h4 can have on the opponent. On seeing 3.h4 Black probably begins to feel very confident (how can he play such rubbish?) but he may also experience some difficulty in taking the game seriously; not a good combination. I can recall one of the first games in this line, Hodgson-Gufeld, Hastings 1986/7. Black played the opening quite well and by move 15 was a pawn up for nothing. But soon afterwards things started to go wrong; he castled queenside rather riskily and White was able to sacrifice a piece for unclear complications after which 'Big Eddie' proved to be no match for a Hodgson in his element, eventually overstepping the time limit in a lost position. What made this game so memorable though is the reaction of Gufeld to his defeat. For the next hour he remained alone on the stage, a tragic figure with his head clasped in his hands and for the rest of the tournament he could be heard explaining to anyone who would listen that this game was not chess and how disgraceful it was that someone could conduct a game in the way Hodgson had just done.>
Gallagher gives 3..c5 as his main recommendation but feels that 3..d5 probably is the simplest way to equalize. After 3..d5 4.Nd2 <4..Bf5 is the most solid, no-nonsense approach to the 'h4 Tromp'.> After the mainline move 3.Bf4 Gallagher recommends 3..c5 instead of <azaris>' ..d5, but seemingly only because he thinks it fits King's Indian players better. Then 4.f3 is most common; alternatively 4.d5 leads to 4..Qb6 and White most often returns with the bishop with 5.Bc1. Black is theoretically fine after something like 5..e6 or 5..e6. White can also try 5.Nd2 but Black shouldn't hesitate before 5..Qxb2 6.Nxe4 Qb4+ 7.Qd2 Qxe4. (continued...) |
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Sep-21-04 | | acirce: ... 4.f3 Qa5+ <At first glance this check may seem difficult to comprehend, but the point is that by forcing White to play c3 (5.Nd2 Nxd2 6.Bxd2 Qb6 is equal, while after 5..Nf6 there is probably nothing better than 6.e3, transposing to lines considered later) his options are reduced. For example, the positions after 4..Nf6 (instead of 4..Qa5+) 5.d5 Qb6 6.e4 (6.Nc3 is another extra possibility available to White) Qxb2 7.Nd2 Qc3 has been reached on several occasions and the general consensus is that White has fair play for his pawn; but if Black had flicked in 4..Qa5+, then the move ..Qc3 would have captured a second pawn. Another variation which Black's queen check avoids is 4..Nf6 5.dxc5, which usually leads to a very sharp Sicilian type position - perhaps not to everyone's taste.> 5.c5 Nf6 and now: a) 6.Nd2
b) 6.d5 (most usual)
a) 6.Nd2 cxd4 7.Nb3 Qb6
a1) 8.Qxd4 <8..Qxd4 9.cxd4 d5 is probably a little better for White; practice suggests he can transform his slight lead in development into a space advantage or something more concrete>, so Gallagher gives 8..Nc6! 9.Qxb6 axb6 which <leads to a more dynamic position where Black's central superiority should compensate for his weakened queenside> and it goes on, White's most important choices are 10.Nd4 and 10.Be3. a2) 8.cxd4 and <8..d5 is by far Black's most common, but perhaps not his best, choice> because of <9.e3! After the above game ( J M Hodgson vs Nunn, 1993 where 9.Rc1 was played) Hodgson came to the conclusion that Rc1 was a bit of a luxury and that the most important thing for White to do was to rush his king's knight to c3.> These lines give White a small edge according to Gallagher who instead recommends <8..e6! 9.Bd2 (one of the main points behind the flexible 8..e6 is that 9.e3 is now met by 9..Nd5; therefore White has to waste time with his bishop before he can get his kingside out) 9..Nc6 10.e3> and Black has a choice between the aggressive 10..a5 and the slightly less so 10..Bb4 where both are fine. (continued...) |
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Sep-21-04 | | acirce: ... b) 6.d5 Qb6 <Very often Black simply plays ..d6 and ..g6, or 6..e6 straight away, but I believe that the attack on b2 poses White the most problems.> 7.b3 <White accepts a slight weakening on the a1-h8 diagonal (which can prove relevant) in order to maintain the material balance. The alternatives involve giving up a large amount of material for uncertain compensation and are therefore rarely seen. They are, however, not without danger for Black.> For example 7.Qd2 (the double pawn sacrifice 7.e4 Qxb2 8.Nd2 Qxc3 is possible, for a large lead in development, is possible but hardly sound) Nxd5 8.Qxd5 Qxb2 9.Qb3 Qxa1 10.e4 Nc6 and White does not succeed in winning the queen in Gallagher's lines so he escapes with an advantage. 7.Bc1 is not mentioned for some reason though. Back to 7.b3 where he gives 7..e6 but it <is also quite reasonable for Black to continue in Benoni fashion. A recent example is Adams vs Tkachiev, 1995 : 7..d6> etc and he says <with about equal chances> after Black's 16th. So 7.b3 e6 8.e4 <8.dxe6?! looks very anti-positional> and refers to a game Aleksandrov-Akopian not in this database but that continued 8..Qxe6 9.c4 d5 10.Nc3 d4 etc. So 8.e4 exd5 9.exd5 Bd6 10.Nh3 <Smirin comments, in his excellent notes in New in Chess, that he was more afraid of 10.Bg5 upon which he intended 10..Be7. I believe that Black stands quite well here since White's development is rather poor and his unprotected bishop on g5 exposes him to some tactical tricks.> ..0-0 11.Qd2 Re8+ 12.Be2 <Smirin comments that the white pieces are placed somewhat awkwardly, but that if he manages c3-c4 he will be able to complete his development without hindrance and place Black under positional pressure. Hence Black's next move.> 12..c4! and then the annotations of the spectacular Sokolov-Smirin, Wijk aan Zee 1993 go on but I stop here for the moment. |
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Sep-21-04 | | patzer2: <refutor> I find your line 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 3. h4!?, as well as <acirce>'s research into it, very interesting. Perhaps Black's nice win in G Demir vs V Gashimov, 2003, meeting 3. h4!? with 3...c5, suggests a good plan for those facing this line as Black. |
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Sep-21-04 | | patzer2: <acirce> I'm impressed with your research. Thanks for taking the time to share with us. I also like 2...e6 and have on occasion used it, but personally prefer the more forcing 2...Ne4. <azaris> I'll admit I am a bit overly enthusiastic about 2...Ne4, not so much that I think it guarantees Black an advantage, but because I believe it gives Black equality and more counterplay than in other lines. I suspect for GMs the knock on the Trompowski (1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5) is not that it's unsound, but that it allows Black to equalize too easily and too quickly. Kasparov and Keene in BCO seem to support this assessment, giving it as quickly equalizing in all variations for Black after 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 Ne4 3. Bf4 (or 3. Bh4). |
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