Abhimanyu Mishra vs Hans Niemann (2020)

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Abhimanyu Mishra vs Hans Niemann
CCCSA Fall GM (2020), Charlotte USA, rd 8, Oct-04
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Modern Bishop's Opening (C55) · 0-1

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Sep-26-22		otc: According to rumours this game is central in the Carlsen-Niemann debate

Sep-27-22		offramp: click for larger view Play 21....Nxf4 or 21....0-0-0.?

Sep-29-22		Lassannn: After careful study of this game, I'm convinced that Niemann, here, used a computer engine. I didn't compare his moves to any engine, but no human being plays like this. Black was already winning by move 20 and on move 21 white offers a rook for a knight and black refuses it for 2 more moves of development? That's preposterous. If a human is already winning, he or she will always take the material and begin simplification.

Sep-29-22		Saniyat24: Mishra Mesmerised...!

Sep-29-22		diceman: <Lassannn: on move 21 white offers a rook for a knight and black refuses it for 2 more moves of development?> The rook is trapped. It has no move to avoid capture by a minor piece. So Niemann was just completing development with the rook in hand. Only after white played 23.e5 (which allows the rook to go to the f6 square) did Niemann take it.

Sep-29-22		stone free or die: Agadmator has a nice walk-through of this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k9... He click-baited the title, understandably: <Hans Niemann is AlphaZero CONFIRMED!>

Sep-30-22		fredthebear: Hans Niemann winning with the Black pieces... suspicious? No. White struggles to get down the board in this game. Black comes up with an old but dynamic plan (pawn storm, castle opposite) with an axiom twist: a knight on the rim keeps the opposing king at home. It seems to me that Niemann's style favors pawn advances, pawn storms, gaining space early in the game. In my small sampling, he is prone to premature attacks. Did Z actually watch the video? sfod didn't have the time while busily making 13 thought promoking posts on Sep-29-22, the majority of those 13 pages containing multiple sfod posts with no replies but his own. Since I watched agadmator's video and then came to this page, I'll pick up where sfod left off, and the stone can throw three or four more empty cans below. Agadmator's positive comments don't fully jive with the plentiful Stockfish ?s. After eight question marks of analysis, Stockfish says 25.Nc4 = and 26.Nd2 would have retained equality for White. I don't completely agree with either source, but there's no cheating here (at least not for more than a move or two), no perfection or near-perfection. That being said, I have not looked at AlphaZero assessments; they surely differ from Stockfish. Alpha Zero must like this game more than SF11. A human might give an exclaim to 16...Nfg4! as a unique table setting move where Black's PLAN -- not necessarily his particular moves -- take control of the game. 16...Nfg4 cannot be captured as 17.hxNg4 hxg4 would open the h-file, arranging a prompt Qh2# Damiano's Mate. Stockfish just declines the knight offer (as does white), unimpressed. Black's plan is somewhat unique, but it does not seem computer-driven to me, at least not the computer's top choice of plans. The simplifying sham queen sacrifice 26...QxNd6 was a nice touch. The sequence of exchanges (Black deliberately drops the exchange) brings about an endgame with the white king out of play due to the unusual Nh2. An ingenious looking position had Fischer or Karpov played it, for the jailed White king is supposed to be a fighting piece in the endgame. The Black king will advance first and dominate the ending. BTW, Abhimanyu Mishra is the youngest GM in history. We probably should pay more attention to him.

Sep-30-22		offramp: She-Ra v Ne-Man.

Sep-30-22		Chessius the Messius: Kind of dropped 8. Nh4 automatically. 8. Nh4 Nxe4 9. Nxe4 Qxh4 10. f4 Be6 11. Bxe6 fxe6 12. g3 Qe7 13. fxe5 Nxe5 14. Nf6+

Oct-01-22		fredthebear: There more I look at this game, the more suspicious I become of the accuracy of Niemann's rook vision than I am of Nh2. Niemann hits the critical decisions involving the rooks. The counter argument being that all his maneuvers involving the rooks of either color turn out to be quite logical (and to his benefit). IMHO, the rook is the most mistimed/misplayed piece in all of chess (be it well below pawn structures). Here are a couple more video links that I prefer to agadmator's overly optimistic video. * Epic Chess: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?... * Chess Wiser: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?... * Zibbit's Chess Channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn4... The recent uproar in the chess world... * Global News - Carlsen formally accuses Niemann of cheating: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?... * Epic Chess - FIDE to investigate: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...

Oct-01-22		SChesshevsky: Pretty sure Niemann had computer help for this game. But probably well before the first move. This game has the smell of computer prep all over it with the forcing ...g5...g4 push. Which I doubt is a computer choice. Wouldn't be surprised if Niemann had exactly 17...Nh2 position on a screen before with various ideas on ways to finish up. Guessing he had the Italian ...g5...g4 prep ready to go and Mishra just fell into it. Not sure if Niemann came up with the idea on his own or was influenced by prior years apparent loss by Jordan van Foreest. Also notable was apparently next time Niemann played...g5, he followed with more standard ...Bg7.

Oct-01-22		MissScarlett: Niemann annotates this game as part of a <Chess Life> profile from April 2021: http://uscf1-nyc1.aodhosting.com/CL...

Oct-01-22		perfidious: Surely a strong player possesses good 'rook vision'; this bit from <fredthebore> is rather contrived, really.

Oct-03-22		fredthebear: Contrived? It's obvious who's statement is contrived. Clearly perfidious does not understand the decision-making in this game. Play through the games before you comment on them. Watch the links and learn something. You don't have to agree but do have something worthwhile to contribute before spewing. Perd's uninteresting sole objective of continuously calling ftb a bore fails him again and again and again.

Oct-03-22		boz: <MissScarlett: Niemann annotates this game as part of a <Chess Life> profile from April 2021:> Interesting article and annotations. Thanks.

Oct-03-22		fredthebear: Indeed. Niemann does not hint of perfection. I would have liked to have seen more Niemann commentary of moves 15-21, a critical phase. Stockfish says 15.Qe2 would have led to equality but I would much rather be Black with an advantage in development and space.

Oct-03-22		MissScarlett: In that profile, Niemann says: <I’ve had many coaches along the way, but I would like to specifically thank GM Maxim Dlugy and two former U.S. Champions who have since died: IM John Grefe and GM Walter Browne. Although I haven’t worked with any of them in some years, these coaches were crucial in igniting passion for chess that motivates me up until this day.> Of course, he and Dlugy may have resumed working together since then, but I'm smelling a red herring. By the sounds of it, if Niemann's in cahoots with anybody, it's most likely to be David Blaine.

Oct-03-22		sudoplatov: I don't see anything unusual about 21....0-0-0. White has no moves to improve the position; Rook has no place to go. No Zwichenzugen. Castling buys Black a few more minutes of thinking time and perhaps the same material advantage.

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