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| Jan-16-14 | | kb2ct: If he decides to play on and does not let us win the exhange, what us the proper way to win, exhange the bishops or exchange a pair of rooks?? Took me a while to decide, but I settled on exchanging a pair of rooks. Perhaps RV can do better.
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1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6 7. h3 Be7 8. Bg2 d5
9. Nc3 Be6 10. Nge2 d4 11. Ne4 Nxe4 12. Bxe4 Bd5 13. Ng3 Bxe4 14. Nxe4 Qd7 15.
Qf3 Nb4 16. O-O-O Nxa2+ 17. Kb1 Nb4 18. Qf5 d3 19. c4 Qxf5 20. gxf5 f6 21. Rhg1
Kf7 22. Bc3 Nc6 23. Rg6 b5 24. Rdg1 Rhg8 25. c5 b4 26. Bb2 Na5 27. Ka2 Nb7 28.
c6 Nd6 29. Nxd6+ Bxd6 30. e4 Bc5 31. Rf1 Rad8 32. f4 exf4 33. Rxf4 Be3 34. Rf1
Bxd2 35. h4 Be3 36. Rd1 Rge8 37. e5 fxe5 38. Rg3 Bf4 39. Rgxd3 Rxd3 40. Rxd3 Kf6 41. Rd7 Re7 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Rybka 4:
<42.Kb1 Rxd7[]
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| Jan-16-14 | | zsoydd: voted: 33...Be3
seems that white wasn't in the mood to defend a difficult and uncomfortable endgame |
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| Jan-16-14 | | jrredfield: Once a game reaches this point where more decisive winning lines are present, it's very hard to refute the evaluations of the strongest chess engines of today. Even if GM Williams were to turn to engines for help, he would simply see the same sad evaluations, just confirming that his position is essentially lost. With more pieces off the board now, the engines can search even deeper, and monstrous hash tables become more effective. I would not want to be in his shoes right now. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | stunningmove: I am not disappointed in GMSW choosing to end the game in a flourish leaving a very interesting probable final position after Be3. It is similar to GMVA allowing the "Drama Queen" draw. I view it as a classy way to resign. My vote for the game title: "Pawn Stars" not sure who first came up with it. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | devere: <zsoydd: voted: 33...Be3 seems that white wasn't in the mood to defend a difficult and uncomfortable endgame> The faster the time control the more attractive it is to try to defend a lost position. It seems logical that it is very unattractive to try to defend a lost position in correspondence chess, because the likelihood of the opponent blundering the game back is extremely low. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | jrredfield: <devere: <zsoydd: voted: 33...Be3 seems that white wasn't in the mood to defend a difficult and uncomfortable endgame>
The faster the time control the more attractive it is to try to defend a lost position. It seems logical that it is very unattractive to try to defend a lost position in correspondence chess, because the likelihood of the opponent blundering the game back is extremely low.> Especially with our team smelling victory--more members are going to take interest and are going to do everything possible to evaluate remaining moves accurately to not let this slip away. With this many members working this hard and having this amount of time, I can't imagine making serious blunders giving GMSW new life. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | kwid: Jan-16-14
<Premium Chessgames Member Pedro Fernandez: I sincerely regret that GM Williams give us the game this way.>Yes you put a lot of effort into this game but it was hopeless for him
after he played Bc3. Even without it he would not stand a chance to hold against our fire power. Now we can work for a nice zugzwang position to please GcD and or get four
queens on the board. Forget about having regrets or playing ethics just demonstrate our superiority, we earned it! 
click for larger viewHave fun! |
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| Jan-16-14 | | benjinathan: d3:p.o. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | DcGentle: <DaringSpeculator: <kwid: BTW, do we have a shorter mate line?> By 4 moves only!> Well, there is a line that is shorter than 70 moves. And it's <not> by <33... Be3>, the move the team played. Position after <33... Rge8> 
click for larger viewWhite to move will notice, that he can hardly take pawn d3 early enough. 1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bd6 5. g4 a6 6. Bf1 h6
7. h3 Be7 8. Bg2 d5 9. Nc3 Be6 10. Nge2 d4 11. Ne4 Nxe4 12.
Bxe4 Bd5 13. Ng3 Bxe4 14. Nxe4 Qd7 15. Qf3 Nb4 16. O-O-O
Nxa2+ 17. Kb1 Nb4 18. Qf5 d3 19. c4 Qxf5 20. gxf5 f6 21.
Rhg1 Kf7 22. Bc3 Nc6 23. Rg6 b5 24. Rdg1 Rhg8 25. c5 b4 26.
Bb2 Na5 27. Ka2 Nb7 28. c6 Nd6 29. Nxd6+ Bxd6 30. e4 Bc5 31.
Rf1 Rad8 32. f4 exf4
33. Rxf4 Rge8 34. Rh4 a5 35. Ba1 Bd6 36. Kb1 h5 37. Bd4 Ra8
38. Bb2 Rh8 39. e5 Bxe5 40. Bxe5 fxe5 41. Re4 Rhe8 42. Rg5
Kf6 43. Rxh5 Rh8 44. Rxh8 Rxh8 45. Re3 Rd8 46. h4 Kxf5 47.
Rf3+ Ke6 48. Re3 Rd4 49. Kc1 Kd5 50. h5 a4 51. Kb2 e4 52.
Kb1 axb3 53. Rg3 Rc4 54. Rg5+ Kxc6 55. Rxg7 e3 56. dxe3 Rc2
57. Rg1 Kd5 58. h6 Rh2 59. h7 c5 60. e4+ Kd4 61. h8=R Rxh8
62. Rg2 c4 63. Kb2 Ra8 64. Rg5 Ra2+ 65. Kb1 c3 66. Rd5+ Ke3
67. Rxd3+ Kxd3 68. e5 c2+ 69. Kc1 b2# 0-1
click for larger viewCheckmate by a pawn. This is the way to go!
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Jan-16-14
 | | mistermac: <stunningmove: I am not disappointed in GMSW choosing to end the game in a flourish leaving a very interesting probable final position after Be3. It is similar to GMVA allowing the "Drama Queen" draw. I view it as a classy way to resign.> I thoroughly agree. This game was an absolute disaster for him. Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that a similar fate awaits anyone who does not have a spacebar mentality. To simply be a very good chess player is not enough. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | galdur: Excellent. The good ginger GM is about done now. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | DcGentle: <mistermac>: The team is good, but it's relying on the highest eval too often. If there is an opponent who will see through this "feature", they can exploit it. Why is this? Well, the surprise effect is gone, the opponent has the same software and maybe even better hardware (depends on their caliber, of course). In a modern correspondence game human ideas, if they are good enough, still can decide the day. What about this game against GM Umanski? I went over it recently, and it was drawish from start to the end. Has the team made progress since then? Good question, isn't it. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | zsoydd: . I want to renew my proposal to watch out for our next opponent on one of the stronger corr chess servers: ICCF
Chess Online
Best Logic
Chess Planet
LSS(former IECG)
BdF
DESC
Remote Schach
Scheming Mind
Worthy opponents should be rated to my mind at least (ICCF)2400 or at least (ICCF)2500 if they have black. Potential candidates with no ICCF rating can be roughly assessed based on their newer results against ICCF rated players. Other criteria could be the wins vs losses ratio, or the performance in recent strong corr tournaments. My impression is that the younger generation of east European corr players is particularly strong and ambitious, now that they also have access to cheap and powerful comp hardware. These players have grown up in a chess friendly environment and many of them I guess have strong connections to master class OTB players so that they often surprise with hitherto unsighted and strong novelties. btw. My apologies to WGM N. Pogonina and GM V. Akobian. They have definitely played strong corr chess. Especially the draw with black of Ms. Pogonina was in my opinion equivalent to a 2700 corr chess performance. |
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Jan-16-14
| | GoldenKnight: 33. ... Be3 voted. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | JustWoodshifting: Voted <33.--Be3>. I was expecting <33.e5>, and a more complicated ending. The next sequence of moves is practically forced: 34.dxe3--d2---35.Rg1--d1=Q---36.Rxd1--Rxd1; just a mop-up job after that until the Rook dances. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | JimNorCal: For nostalgia fans, a mostly comprehensible post by <chris owen> from the good old days Oct-19-10 A Hamming vs Gilg, 1936 |
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| Jan-16-14 | | ajile: lol
I can't think of the last time one move had 100% of the votes. :o)
Note, a longer game with a move such as 31.R1g2 would have been interesting. Would have required patience and planning to finish the game. I particularly liked the long king walk idea to b5. But I can understand GM William's desire to not shuffle his pieces until the inevitable zugzwang demise. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | galdur: 31..Rad8! Great move. I was thinking a5 and Ra6 at the time but this is much more lethal. Leading your opponent into error. I think this game a very good specimen of contemporay chess. It´s influenced by computers no doubt but still you detect quite a bit of human reasoning. Congratulations. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | Sequoia: <DCGentle: What about this game against GM Umanski? I went over it recently, and it was drawish from start to the end. Has the team made progress since then? Good question, isn't it.>
I don't think it is a good question. Our opponent is one of the strongest cc player ever. Drawing with Black is a progress. If nobody makes an error the likely result of a game is a draw. M Umansky vs The World, 2009 (Page 405 top, there is a chrisowen contribution I am able to understand.) If there was a progress it is mainly due to the progress and the diversity of the chess engines. Before only Rybka at the top. Now we have several more engines. As far as I remember the team work was very well coordinated and the best games played : http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... That is :
The World vs A Nickel, 2006
The World vs G Timmerman, 2007
Y Shulman vs The World, 2007
A Nickel vs The World, 2008
And the Umanksy game above.
The second Nickel game was interesting because I think it was the only time we were in difficulty. And we managed to draw the game. I was not so happy with the next games. Pogonina, everyone knows why. And I think the next games did not get to the level of the games mentioned above, although they were quite entertaining. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | MuzioFan: <ajile>: Be3 does not have 100% of the votes; at the time of writing 180 votes have been cast, out of which 'only' a 175 are for Be3. |
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Jan-16-14
 | | AylerKupp: <<DcGentle> Well, there is a line that is shorter than 70 moves. And it's <not> by <33... Be3>, the move the team played.> Don’t you think that from a practical perspective it's kind of irrelevant? Oh, I suppose that it is intellectually stimulating to find the shortest mate (assuming that all the moves are forced) but it really does not have any practical significance. On your last diagram our opponent would have resigned far earlier than 69...b2#. So from a practical perspective the shortest line is the one that causes our opponent to resign the earliest, not necessarily the line that leads to the quickest mate. In The World vs Akobian, 2012 there was a lot of discussion about which move was better, 35.Bf4 or 35.Nd6. The team chose 35.Nd6 and our opponent resigned on the next move. Could 35.Bf4 have been shown to lead to either a shorter mate, a more aesthetic finish, or both? Possibly. Would our opponent have resigned if we had played 35.Bf4? Maybe, maybe not; we'll never know unless we ask him (but he has probably long ago put that game out of his memory). I do think that 35.Nd6 was a more "impressive" move, illustrating to GMVA the hopelessness of his situation and, for an opponent who played somewhat lackadaisically, gave him the "encouragement" to resign. And I can't help but feel that GMSW and GMVA (in the previous game) played these games somewhat similarly in the sense that neither of them played the best moves possible. So if GMSW feels similarly to GMVA then all he will likely need is an "encouragement" to resign. And I think that 33...Be6 is more "encouraging" than 33...Rge8, regardless of the objective merits of the latter move. And, needless to say, not a bad move. |
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Jan-16-14
| | AylerKupp: <ajile> Besides, each of our opponent's moves have had 100% of his "vote". :-) But <MuzioFan> is right, with 176 votes for 33...Be6 and 182 votes total that means that 6 other moves have one vote. I would be hard pressed to come up with 6 other reasonable moves for Black unless they're typos like 33...BE3, 33...be3, etc. And even then ... |
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| Jan-16-14 | | jrredfield: <<ajile>: Be3 does not have 100% of the votes; at the time of writing 180 votes have been cast, out of which 'only' a 175 are for Be3.> The other votes are for a draw offer. Why settle for that now?? Am I missing something? Or are some reluctant to grab the prize that so many have worked so hard for, perhaps out of sympathy for GMSW and his precarious plight? |
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| Jan-16-14 | | DcGentle: <AylerKupp: Don’t you think that from a practical perspective it's kind of irrelevant?> Well, there is a practical perspective to it, but not the one you usually see when people post lines. Of course our move was decided and this is not the reason I posted it. No, did you the see the eval of the move <33... Rge8> and the difference of this eval to the one of <33... Be3> ? More than 1.00 I guess, but nevertheless the result is equal or better. What can we learn from this?
I hope you know what I mean. |
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| Jan-16-14 | | Sequoia: <AylerKupp: <ajile> Besides, each of our opponent's moves have had 100% of his "vote". :-) But <MuzioFan> is right, with 176 votes for 33...Be6 and 182 votes total that means that 6 other moves have one vote. I would be hard pressed to come up with 6 other reasonable moves for Black unless they're typos like 33...BE3, 33...be3, etc. And even then ...> The "other" moves are : Bd4 - Bd6 - Rd6 - Rge8. The fifth one I could not find. Likely a typo. The sixth was me trying to find the odd moves and coming back to Be3. |
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