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| Dec-16-21 | | Gallicrow: Sorry, I misread your comment of Dec-11-21 - I thought you said you played him in round 3. Now that I know you played him round 2 I'll have a look at the game on Britbase (copying and pasting the moves you put in your comment of Sep-05-17 into an online analysis board didn't work). |
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| Dec-16-21 | | Gallicrow: The one in Britbase wasn't yours. Here is a cleaned up version of your game against Wilf which can be pasted into a viewer/analyser:
[White "Robinson, J.K."]
[Black "Pratten, Wilfred Henry"]
1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Bc4 Qh4+ 4 Kf1 d5 5 Nf3 Qh5 6 Bxd5 Nf6 7 Nc3 c6 8 Bb3 Bg4
9 d4 g5 10 e5 Bxf3 11 Qxf3 Qxf3+ 12 gxf3 Nh5 13 Ne4 Be7 14 Rg1 h6 15 Bd2 Nd7 16 Re1 Kf8
17 a4 Ng7 18 Ke2 Nf5 19 Bc3 Nb6 20 Rd1 Ne3 21 Rd3 Rg8 22 Bd2 Nf5 23 c4 Nd7 24 c5 Rg6
25 Bc2 Rd8 26 Bc1 Nb8 27 Nd6 Bxd6 28 cxd6 c5 29 dxc5 Nc6 30 Kf2 Nb4 31 Bb1 Nxd3+ 32 Bxd3 Re6
33 Bxf5 Rxe5 34 Bd3 Rxc5 35 b3 Rc3 36 Bc4 Rc2+ 37 Be2 Ke8 38 Ba3 Ra2 39 Bb4 Kd7 40 Re1 Re8
41 Kf1 a6 42 Bd3 Re6 43 Bf5 |
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Dec-16-21
 | | MissScarlett: This game? J K Robinson vs W Pratten, 1974 |
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Dec-16-21
| | MissScarlett: Pratten's second round game in the Paignton Premier was against Ritson-Morry, per Britbase, as confimed by the <Birmingham Post> of September 3rd 1974. |
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| Dec-17-21 | | Nosnibor: Then Britbase shows incorrect information. It is more likely that Ritson-Morry was officiating rather than playing! |
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Dec-17-21
| | MissScarlett: Who else do you allege you played in the Premier that year? |
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| Dec-17-21 | | Nosnibor: From memory now I remember Ritson -Morry was one of the Controllers of the tournament and that Wilf had no opponent so Ritson -Morry stepped in and played him in round one and of course beat him. You Missy were not there so you should not believe everything you read. |
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| Dec-17-21 | | Nosnibor: I have now established that my game was played in round 4 and after that Wilf dropped out. In my first three rounds I played D.C.Taylor, P.D.Ralph and G.H.Bennet. I finished up with a 50% score, having finished third the year, before when the winner, Peter Griffiths narrowly escaped a loss with a draw. |
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Dec-17-21
| | MissScarlett: Why should I trust your memory, which has already been shown to be at fault? |
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Dec-17-21
| | MissScarlett: The <Birmingham Post> of September 3rd, p.21, gives a partial list of the Premier results in the first two rounds. Round 1 had an adjourned game between Ritson-Morry and <J G Stainton>; round 2 has his draw with Pratten. Are you quite sure you have the right year? |
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| Dec-17-21 | | Nosnibor: Are you calling me a liar? I have known Ritson-Morry many years before you were around. In the 1973 event Ritson -Morry mentioned my name in connection with my game against Griffiths. This was stated in the B.C.M. I have played in the Paignton Congress many times over almost 60 years. I have a record of every game that I played since 1957. |
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Dec-17-21
| | MissScarlett: <Are you calling me a liar?> To that I cannot speak. The point at issue is not the record of your own games, but your memory of Ritson-Morry's. Is it your claim that he played only because another player withdrew? Is this why you think it must have been the first round? |
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| Dec-20-21 | | Gallicrow: <MissScarlett This game? J K Robinson vs W Pratten, 1974> I'm not sure how I missed that! Note that it says that it took place in round 4 rather than round 2. |
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Dec-20-21
| | MissScarlett: Yes. that's already noted here: J K Robinson vs W Pratten, 1974 |
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Dec-23-21
 | | John Saunders: <Nosnibor> - your comments above appear to include a number of errors, as can be ascertained by looking up the results in The Times as reported by Harry Golombek.
The relevant results were as follows:
Round 1 (Mon 2 Sept 1974): Pratten ½-½ Collard; DC Taylor 1-0 J Robinson. Round 2 (Tue 3 Sept): Ritson Morry ½-½ Pratten, Robinson 1-0 Ralph Round 3 (Wed 4 Sept): Pratten 0-1 Massie, Bennett 1-0 Robinson Round 4 (Thur 5 Sept): Robinson 1-0 Pratten
Round 5 (Fri 6 Sept): Govas 1-0 Robinson, Pratten ½-½ Sunnucks Round 6 (Sat 7 Sept): Walker ½-½ Pratten, Robinson 1-0 Metras Round 7 (Sun 8 Sept) Gamble ½-½ Robinson, Pratten, not mentioned, presumably withdrew at this point. Let's count the errors above: (1) you didn't beat Pratten in rd 2; (2) Pratten didn't withdraw after playing you; (3) Morry was playing, not officiating (he scored 4/7); (4) Morry didn't beat Pratten. If there's anything there you disagree with, I suggest you take it up with Harry Golombek via an ouija board. |
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Dec-23-21
| | MissScarlett: Is <Nosnibore> calling Harry Golombek a liar? |
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Dec-23-21
| | John Saunders: On checking again I find I have the dates wrong - one day late in each case. Round 1 was on Sunday 1 September, and so on - last round 7 Saturday 7 September. |
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| Dec-23-21 | | Nosnibor: <John Saunders> I now realise that my recollection of Ritson-Morry officiating and stepping in has a substitute happened in a later event. One thing I am certain about that was that Wilf did have someone to escort him from the playing hall and I was informed by the controller that he was in care. Presumably he withdrew before playing his last round due to either feeling unwell or because he was disappointed with his score of two losses and four draws. I suspect the former. Bearing in mind that this event took place nearly 50 years ago that sometimes the memory can play tricks .Even Miss S. has forgotten in her last post here the correct spelling of my handle on C.G. I apologise to Gallicrow if my memory of events was at fault. |
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| Dec-30-21 | | Gallicrow: No apology needed from you as far as I'm concerned Nosnibor. I always enjoy hearing stories and reminiscences about chess players that I remember, or even those that I don't! |
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Dec-30-21
 | | HeMateMe: They say he used his rooks like tanks... |
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Dec-30-21
 | | Dionysius1: Any views - is <MissScarlett> that important? I don't want to miss much valuable stuff, but she seems so rude all the time, I'd rather not come across her rages - it might be better for me to ignore her? |
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Dec-30-21
| | MissScarlett: What's with the coloured background on this page? |
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Dec-30-21
| | Dionysius1: I like it - I've got ties more salmon than this. |
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| Apr-04-22 | | Nosnibor: There is a Bernard Pratten who is a member of the Appleby-Frodingham Chess Club and plays for the Lincolnshire County side. I wonder if he is related to Wilfred Pratten? I played him once in a County match in 1993. |
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| Apr-22-22 | | Gallicrow: I think Bernard Pratten was born in Wales in 1958 or thereabouts. I can't find any Welsh lines in the family tree that I constructed for Wilf Pratten:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/p... |
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