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| Aug-14-07 | | Karpova: <whiteshark>
Whom is this directed against?
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| Aug-14-07 | | whiteshark:
Definitely not against you, if that's your impression or concern. |
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| Nov-22-07 | | Karpova: * 18.12.1857
† 13.05.1937 |
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| Dec-18-08 | | brankat: I find it highly unlikely, that Franz Gutmayer had any "influence" on A.Alekhine. Besides, let's not forget that the whole Alekhine anti-semitism "affair" has still not been really clarified. |
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| Jan-01-10 | | Marcelo Brasileiro: As I could remark, he was only one chess idiot that left his name in chess history; Ossip Bernstein must be forgiven, although he declared to be such way to Emanuel Lasker. |
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| Jan-01-10 | | Marcelo Brasileiro: I know that he only won a game at Berlin SV Centrum in 1897. |
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Jan-01-10
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1 Von Bardeleben * = 1 1 1 1 0 4.5
2 Charousek = * = 0 1 1 1 4.0
3 W. Cohn 0 = * 1 0 1 1 3.5
4 Mieses 0 1 0 * = 1 1 3.5
5 Walbrodt 0 0 1 = * 0 1 2.5
6 Heinrichsen 0 0 0 0 1 * 1 2.0
7 Gutmayer 1 0 0 0 0 0 * 1.0
Evidently, there was one day he wasn't as big an idiot as usual! We are all chess idiots on occasion; the only real idiots are those who don't realize that they are. |
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| Aug-07-11 | | DrMAL: According to the ludicrous website Chessmetrics because of today's "rating inflation" this player's rating was 2459 in February 1897 LMAO http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/Play... Alekhine had similar Nazi views about "human breeding" for chess ability, he sounds like a total idiot in his interview. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrH-... |
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Aug-07-11
 | | alexmagnus: That Chessmetrics rating is based on the tournament quoted above (see "career details" on his CM profile). BTW, Chessmetrics has <nothing> to do with adjusting for inflation. That's a common misundertstanding. |
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| Aug-07-11 | | DrMAL: <alexmagnus> Sorry to disagree but you're about as wrong as wrong gets. The author of Chessmetrics, Jeff Sonas, is the noisiest person alive regarding his (incorrect) assessment of "rating inflation" as a historical trend. His ratings, including tournament ratings, which contributed to this rating here, are based on WORLD RANK at the time, and compute everything historically related to this fact. Read his website. As #69 in the world at that time, where #1 in the world at ANY time, according to Mr. Sonas, equates to the best rating at ANY time, around 2800-2900, Mr. Gutmayer's rating is inflated to a ludicrous number. If one examines his GAMES, including those of the tournament referred to, his play cannot possibly be 2200 (and almost surely were not 2000) by today's standards. Jeff Sonas is an idiot. Hardworking but a total idiot nonetheless. People who use Chessmetrics are using false, misleading information based upon a ridiculous rating formula he alone concocted. I guess he never heard of tournaments based on section. His precept of being #N at any time must imply a certain rating is completely moronic. Chess knowledge in the 19th century was practically nothing compared to today. And the little knowledge there was was not disseminated well. Moreover, the number of people playing good chess was far lower. The world was basically like an Under-2200 open tournament back then, with occasional glitches of varying degree people like Morphy. |
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| Aug-07-11 | | DrMAL: "So, let's take that Linares 2005 tournament again as an example. The average FIDE rating of the participants was 2743, and so we'll use that to calibrate the ratings after every step: the average rating will always be 2743." http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/Form... According to Jeff Sonas, the quality of play at ANY time among top players in the world was ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT TO LINARES IN 2005! This LUDICROUS ASSUMPTION is where ALL of the Chessmetrics ratings are "calibrated" to. |
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Aug-07-11
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| Dec-03-11 | | Marcelo Bruno: <Phony Benoni> You are correct, that's the tournament to which I was referring. |
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| Feb-06-12 | | kramputz: Karpova call Gutmayer a anti-semite. Why did Gutmayer hate the Arabs? Did Karpova mean anti Jew? Is that the only thing they can write in his bio ?
I call it racist !! |
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| Feb-06-12 | | Karpova: <kramputz: Karpova call Gutmayer a anti-semite. Why did Gutmayer hate the Arabs? Did Karpova mean anti Jew? Is that the only thing they can write in his bio ? I call it racist !!> The expression anti-semite means hatred of jews only, though its literal sense implies hatred of all semites. Why this is so, karpova cannot tell you, just that it's so by convention. |
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| Feb-06-12 | | Petrosianic: <cg.com> <Amateur chessplayer and anti-Semite.> Is "anti-Semite" a profession now? That's how they make it sound. If it was, what a shame he died in 1937, right before there was really big money in it. <whiteshark>: <He That Is Without Sin Among You, Let Him First Cast a Stone.> And let he who is without an original thought not cast even the second one. Nobody's talking about stoning him. He's already dead. |
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| Feb-06-12 | | Caissanist: <According to Jeff Sonas, the quality of play at ANY time among top players in the world was ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT TO LINARES IN 2005!> What Sonas is saying is that it's impossible to compare the quality of play across generations, using his formula or anyone else's. His ratings show how strong a player is compared to the top players of the day, since that's the only meaningful comparison you can do. Many top players (notably Kasparov) have said much the same thing. |
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| Feb-06-12 | | Caissanist: <I wonder whether there might be some connection between Gutmayer's literary output and Alekhine's sad contributions to 'Pariser Zeitung'.> Did Alekhine's anti-Semitic writings appear to be copied from Gutmayer, or from other people? I have always had that impression, but I don't know German. |
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| Feb-06-12 | | Shams: <Petrosianic><what a shame he died in 1937, right before there was really big money in it.> Cute. We've had our differences in the past, but you've been killing the board lately and are gold on my screen now. |
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| Feb-28-12 | | whiteshark: It seems that back in 1920 F.G. has written a book on "chess philosophy" with the title ... <Mein System>.
https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?meth... |
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Jan-13-15
 | | keypusher: <Alekhine had similar Nazi views about "human breeding" for chess ability, he sounds like a total idiot in his interview. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrH-...> Twaddle. He says that, as with painting or music, success is not strictly a matter of hard work; a certain amount of ability has to be there at birth. Alekhine said plenty of bad things for real, you don't need to make them up. |
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| Sep-19-18 | | wordfunph: <F. Gutmayer, who wrote a book on how to become a chess master, was never able to become one himself!> - Curious Chess Facts (book authored by Irving Chernev) |
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| Nov-23-24 | | stone free or die: I find myself he by a curious route.
Looking for <Lowenthal> vs. <Loewenthal> usage in the early US press I found a position from a game <Morphy> had with <Bousserolles>. I started to dig around, and found <Winter> mentioned it, and <Gutmayer> as a source: <The four editions (1898, 1913, 1919 and 1923) of <Der Weg zur Meisterschaft> by Franz Gutmayer gave the position as ‘Bousserolle’ or ‘Bonserolle’ v Morphy. See also page 57 of Die Geheimnisse der Kombinationskunst (Leipzig, 1922). A blindfold win by Morphy (as White) against A. Bousserolles is known (the conclusion is on the above-mentioned page of Maróczy’s book), but on what basis did Gutmayer identify White in our diagrammed position?> https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... I'm just now going through <Gutmayer>'s <Der Weg zur Meisterschaft> (The full title, in English is <The Path to Mastery - Instructions for the Exemplary Conduct of Chess Games on a New Basis>) . |
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| Nov-23-24 | | stone free or die: His 1919 edition of <The Path to Mastery> can be found here: https://books.google.com/books?id=8... I couldn't find any mention of <Jude> or <jüdisch> in it. In fact, he quotes <Lasker> quite a bit, and has <Steinitz> playing a brilliant combination or two in his examples. . |
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| Nov-23-24 | | stone free or die: The old links provided by <Karpova> are now stale: http://www.ewetel.net/~heike.focken... Using Wayback I was informed that backups of these pages were excluded (likely by the ISP?). (heike.focken had many other pages as well, references scattered over <CG>) |
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