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Sep-11-14
 | | Stonehenge: Henry Gifford's balloon, Paris 1878 (sic, should be Henri Giffard), funny that Gifford should play in Paris 1878. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F... Gifford Variation, named after him?
http://www.365chess.com/eco/C33_Kin... |
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Sep-12-14
 | | Tabanus: London Standard 26 Oct. 1900 p. 1:
<DEATHS. ... GIFFORD. - On the 25th instant, at 11. Sydenham-avenue, Sydenham, Eliza (Lillie), wife of H. W. Birkmyre Gifford.> So he must have married again ca. 1902 (as 9 years married in 1911) to Lizzie Isabel, who was born in France but was a "British subject by parentage". The document by his death in 1924 mentions only George Campbell Goldsmid and Cyril George Goldsmid, the relatives of his first wife Eliza Goldsmid. |
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Sep-12-14
| | Stonehenge: Ancestry.com has
Name: Lizzie I Goldsmid
Spouse: Henry W Gifford
Marriage: 19 Apr 1902 - Manhattan |
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Sep-12-14
| | Stonehenge: Elisa Goldsmid (born Garey)
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevill... |
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Sep-12-14
| | Stonehenge: N D Goldsmid and E Garey married on Sep/10/1850
http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=d... |
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Sep-12-14
| | Tabanus: <Stonehenge> Eliza (Lillie) Goldsmid (born Garey) and Lizzie Isabel Goldsmid must be two different persons. Or? What a mystery man :) |
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Sep-12-14
| | Tabanus: Hmm.
From the names, ages and times of marriage, it looks like the second wife was a daughter of the first wife. |
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Sep-12-14
| | Stonehenge: From http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevill...: "His widow, Elisa Goldsmid (born Garey), then moved to Paris. The couple was childless." So Elizabeth Garey and Neville Davison Goldsmid didn't have children. |
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Sep-12-14
| | Tabanus: Ok. They married in the "Church of England in the House of the British Charge d'Affaires at The Hague" 10 Sep. 1850: http://interactive.ancestry.com/199... |
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Sep-12-14
| | Tabanus: Ok I found the parents of the 2nd wife Lizzie Isabel Goldsmid: Edmund Elsden Goldsmid and Sarah Elizabeth Goldsmid. She was born 25 Nov. 1850 and baptized in Paris: http://interactive.ancestry.com/199... |
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Sep-12-14
| | Tabanus: Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette (just in case):
ARRIVALS. GRAND HOTEL.
4 April 1895: H. W. Birkmyre Gifford.
26 Dec 1895: Mr and Mrs Birkmyre Gifford (Sydenham)
29 Oct 1896: Mr and Mrs H. D. Birkmyre Gifford (Streatham) 1 April 1897: Mr and Mrs Birkmyre Gifford (Sydenham)
28 Oct 1897: Mr and Mrs Birkmyre Gifford
10 March 1898: Mr and Mrs Birkmyre Gifford (Sydenham) 24 Nov 1898: Mr and Mrs Birkmyre Gifford (London)
14 Sept 1899: Mr and Mrs Birkmyre Gifford (Sydenham)
21 Sept 1899: Mr and Mrs Birkmyre Gifford (Sydenham) |
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Sep-12-14
| | Tabanus: The Times 16 April 1924 p. 1:
<DEATHS. - On the 12th of April, at a nursing home, Henry William Birkmyre Gifford; of 12. Langham-mansions, Earl's Court. Funeral at 11.30 a.m., at the Crystal Palace Cemetery, Elmers End, to-morrow (Thursday). (Friends, please accept this, the only Intimation.)> |
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Sep-13-14
| | Tabanus: UK Outward Passenger Lists 1890-1960:
Name: Mr W H Birkmare Gifford
Name: Miss L. I. Goldsmid
Departure Date: 9 Apr 1902
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse
http://interactive.ancestry.com/299..., with W H and not H W |
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Sep-13-14
| | Tabanus: Cincinnati Commercial Tribune 17 Dec 1881 Extra Sheet p. 3: "The second French National Tourney began in Paris November 6, with seven entrants, each of whom had two games to play with every other player, at the rate of three games a week. .... <Gifford>, won 4, lost 2; ..." Charleston News and Courier 31 May 1885 p. 7:
"Dr. Zukertort in Paris. Since his arrival at the French Capital on the 19th ult., Dr. Zukertort has not been idle. On the 24th he conducted five blindfold and simultaneous games at the Cercle des Echecs against Messrs. De Boistertre and Wise Bonaparte (scored by the blindfold player) Mr Vaillant (to whom he lost) and Messrs. <Gifford> and Oberndoffer who managed to draw." |
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Sep-13-14
| | Stonehenge: There are some more games of Gifford in "L'Échiquier d'Aix", but I don't know if it can be read online. |
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Sep-13-14
| | Tabanus: https://archive.org/stream/lchiquie... page 170: Game vs Albert Clerc 11 Nov 1881 Page 179: game vs Edward Chamier 23 Nov. 1881 |
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Sep-13-14
| | Tabanus: Plus two games in the 1882 volume, one of which seems to be vs Preston Ware: https://archive.org/stream/lchiquie... |
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Sep-13-14
| | Stonehenge: Yes here:
https://archive.org/stream/lchiquie... |
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Sep-13-14
 | | MissScarlett: What is this? Next you'll be posting the Grand Hotel's laundry list for the relevant dates. Let the man and his dirty linen lie in peaceful repose. |
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Sep-13-14
| | Stonehenge: <MissScarlett>
if you have nothing sensible to say, then please stay away. |
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Sep-14-14
| | Tabanus: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1... To show that his second wife died in Earls Court (same address) in 1923. I'll stop there.. |
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| Oct-09-14 | | mkuyt: For your information, I research the Goldsmids and happened upon your site here. This may be of interest:
Eliza Goldsmid nee Garey (1828 - 1900) was the wealthy widow of Neville Davison Goldsmid (1814 - 1875), entrepreneur. I estimate her fortune 150000 - 200000 pounds when she married Gifford, who was 19 years younger, in april 1877. Shortly after they left the Hague for Paris. After Eliza´s death Gifford remarried Lizzie, daughter of Sarah Elisabeth Goldsmid nee Garey, Eliza´s sister, and Edmund Elsden Goldsmid 1818 / 1870), brother of Neville D. Goldsmid, and equally wealthy. |
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Oct-10-14
| | Stonehenge: <mkuyt>
Thanks for the contribution :) |
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Nov-01-20
| | MissScarlett: <Eliza died in 1900, and he married again in Manhattan, New York in 1902 to Eliza's niece Lizzie Isabel Goldsmid (1850-1923).> Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking? |
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| Nov-01-20 | | Nosnibor: It looks like Henry looked at "A gifft horse in the mouth." |
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