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Jul-07-13 | | JoergWalter: <Nightsurfer> the article and the wiki article both have 15 games.
If there was a difference the amount of games would be different. I guess, Wikipedia just counted wrong. (You could have doublechecked it...) http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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Jul-07-13
 | | Nightsurfer: <JoergWalter> So be it, I am not a nitpicker ... but the point that I want to make is the undeniable fact that <Lionel Kieseritsky> has defeated <Adolf Anderssen> and not vice versa - and that is the message of my posting, the exact margin whatsoever. (But thank you very much, dear <JoergWalter>, for having put things right!) |
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Jul-07-13 | | JoergWalter: Agreed. However, when the result is close (by one point) wrong addition may lead to wrong overall picture. We are lucky that in this case it is just cosmetic. |
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Jul-07-13 | | thomastonk: <Nightsurfer, JoergWalter> I think some details are worth additional consideration. The "Schachzeitung" 1851 contains reports of Anderssen and Kieseritzky. Accordingly, both men met in the evening of Saturday, May 24, a few days before the tournament, but didn't played at this aoccasion. On Monday, the rules we discussed and the drawing of pairings has happened. On Tuesday morning the tournament begun. The Immortal Game is said to be played one day before the tournament, that is Sunday or Monday. So, the offhand games you are discussing were played before and after their first round encounter in the tournament, and hence I wouldn't call it a match. Anderssen reports that he had challenged Löwenthal for a match of 11 games and a stake of 5 pounds. I think you see the difference. Moreover, I would not even call them 'a series of games', because I assume that there was more than one such series. Many offhand games by Anderssen and Kieseritzky are reportet with several other opponents, as well. The exact number of these offhand games is unknown, which supports their occasional character, as well as the large number of their mutual and other encounters shows that they were played more rapidly than the tournament games. However, there can be little doubt that Kieseritzky won the majority of these games, as even the "Schachzeitung" reports this based on Kieseritzky's report, but didn't forgot to mention that Anderssen still was playing a tournament. |
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Jan-01-14
 | | Penguincw: R.I.P. Lionel Kieseritsky. |
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Feb-16-15 | | JonDSouzaEva: "When the mind collapses and the brain degenerates it is a pathetic thing to see the shell that was the man. There he sits, the once famous chess master, his face upturned to the sun as its rays glide through the window like some stealthy predator come to suck out life rather than infuse his being with it. You would think that he was a mannequin in some department store’s tableau. In his prime he reigned supreme, the heir of Deschapelles and De Labourdonnais. Now he sits and waits for the great bell tower of the cathedral to boom out its daily message. This he gravely records in his notebook as though he were solving some universal mathematical conundrum. Each evening M. K- surrenders to me this diary (to call it that) for my perusal. At that moment, despite his pitiful physical state he seems to have the hauteur of a General turning over to a subaltern a briefing for the troops. The stroke that has paralyzed his left side seems paradoxically to have stimulated his mind in certain ways and at certain times. Usually listless, he will be clothed and unclothed, bathed and examined, fed and assisted with his toilet. His stool is like rock or shrapnel. When animated he will write feverishly in his notebook and is heard muttering about ‘the small and humble star rising in the west’. It is as though he is prophesying the fate of mankind. His sole consolation is his chess set. He had been slumped over it in his lodgings when found by the police who had been called by his landlord. My assistant Foch felt that this one familiar object might be helpful in his stabilisation and therapeutic recovery. For this I hold out little hope, despite his relatively young age of 47. Recovery is as much a matter of volition as it is a neurological healing and functionality. The sad truth is that friendless and penniless M. K- has little for which to live. His debts are considerable as letters found in his lodgings reveal. ‘La Régence’, the magazine which he had published having failed, his sole source of income was the daily games of chess he would play for a fee with all comers. Debtors have already sold off those volumes and other belongings found in his apartment. Were it not for the Sisters who daily tend and feed him, he would simply starve and rot in his own filth. Faith of any sort, Catholic or Protestant, does not seem to have featured in his life. The most we are doing for this poor unfortunate is keeping him comfortable until death finally embraces him. That, in my view, will come soon…" Extract from the hospital log of Claude Bernard, quoted in “Bulletin de L’Académie Nationale de Médicine”. Source: http://rogerlp.blogspot.co.uk/2010/... |
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Feb-16-15
 | | keypusher: Thank you for posting that Jon. |
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Mar-04-16 | | zanzibar: This link seems worth posting:
http://www.chesscentral.com/a-famou...
for those interested in Kieseritsky. |
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Apr-04-16 | | Mr. V: So I hate to resurrect the topic of his name, but is there any knowledge if he had any connections to the Bagrationi family of Georgia? Seems like a rather strange name for a Baltic German to have. |
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Apr-04-16 | | Mr. V: But I suppose nothing is mentioned of it in the link above, so perhaps there is no relation to the Georgian nobility. |
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Apr-06-16
 | | offramp: <His stool is like rock or shrapnel...> What was he eating, one wonders. |
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Apr-06-16
 | | tamar: Sisters need to learn to cook... |
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Apr-07-16
 | | offramp: The only advantage I can see to having rockhard stools is that they submit to analysis by tuning fork. |
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Apr-07-16 | | paavoh: @Mr.V. Re: Bagration. I will suggest that Kieseritzky was named after the famous general Pjotr Bagration who died 1812(?). Not unusual to give a hero's name to a child. |
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Jun-10-16 | | thegoodanarchist: Friends called him "Bagsy" or "Bags" |
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Oct-30-16 | | rgr459: a a physician, my preferred question to assess stool consistency is: if you stool on the floor, and drop a quarter in it, will it splash, stick, or bounce off? |
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Mar-31-17
 | | offramp: <thegoodanarchist: Friends called him "Bagsy" or "Bags"> He was also known as <Kieser> or <Kieser the Geezer>. His Mum called him <The Keezmeister>. His Dad called him <The Big Keez> or <The Brain of Bagration>. At school he was <Felix the Helix>. The Headmaster called him <The Great Bagwash>. Anderssen called him <Mint Shrapnel>. |
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Mar-02-19 | | zanzibar: <He was a frail and sickly man, with too much brain for his
body; and he wasted early away.> |
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Apr-21-20 | | Sally Simpson: ***
In this book:
https://www.redhotpawn.com/imgu/blo... we see this game reproduced thus.
https://www.redhotpawn.com/imgu/blo... *** |
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May-28-20
 | | MissScarlett: Bell's Life in London, August 21st 1853, p.5:
<M Kieseritzkij died some time back; melancholy to say, in the Hotel Dieu, the authorities of which applied to the Paris Chess players to bury him by a small subscription, but this was so ill-responded to that poor Kieseritzkij was buried the burial of a pauper. Truth is, the Paris players are broken up, the club all but gone, and the band who should keep alive the sacred fire without head or permanent locale. The Cafe de la Regence is to come down, its site being required for building improvements.> Hotel Dieu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%... |
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Aug-09-21 | | Albertan: Kieseritzky’s Immortal Game:
https://en.chessbase.com/post/kiese... |
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Jan-28-22 | | Polonia: kieseritzky lionel died broke and they had to bury him in pauper's grave? when henry thomas buckle was dying, supposedly his final words were: what about my books? well, here are 3 of his posthumous works, biography and then some...
https://www.biblio.com/book/miscell... not forgotten thanx to me! i wonder how will the dead repair such favors in the afterlife!? |
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Feb-26-23 | | Honest Adin Reviews: so kieseritzky was buried in unmarked grave?
chess stars who died young:
encyclopediasupreme.org/0000/ChessMastersWhoDied-
PrettyYoung.pdf |
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Apr-20-23
 | | Gottschalk: A possible transliteration to his name is Zekeriski.
In fact, sounds strange. |
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May-15-23
 | | louispaulsen88888888: Bagration? |
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