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Valentine Green
Number of games in database: 46
Years covered: 1855 to 1870

Overall record: +6 -23 =8 (27.0%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 9 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

With the White pieces:
 Giuoco Piano (5) 
    C50 C54
With the Black pieces:
 King's Gambit Accepted (5) 
    C39 C33
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   V Green vs J Robey, 1862 1-0
   Steinitz vs V Green, 1862 1/2-1/2
   V Green vs R Brien, 1856 1/2-1/2
   V Green vs Owen, 1862 1/2-1/2
   V Green vs Steinitz, 1862 1/2-1/2
   V Green vs Steinitz, 1863 1/2-1/2

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(born Dec-27-1831, died Jan-31-1877, 45 years old) United Kingdom

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 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 50  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Forshall vs V Green  0-1351853Casual gameC53 Giuoco Piano
2. V Green vs Forshall  0-1311853Casual gameC53 Giuoco Piano
3. C Kenny vs V Green 1-0511855Kling's Coffee House tC44 King's Pawn Game
4. V Green vs C Kenny 1-0311855Kling's Coffee HouseC41 Philidor Defense
5. V Green vs C Marett  1-0301855Kling's Coffee HouseC50 Giuoco Piano
6. V Green vs C Kenny  ½-½321855MatchA10 English
7. Zytogorski vs V Green 1-0251855Kling's Coffee HouseC44 King's Pawn Game
8. R Brien vs V Green  0-1271856McDonnell Chess ClubC51 Evans Gambit
9. V Green vs R Brien ½-½231856McDonnell Chess ClubC20 King's Pawn Game
10. W M Chinnery vs V Green  0-1501862B.C.A. Handicap t000 Chess variants
11. Dubois vs V Green  1-0391862B.C.A. Grand TourneyC45 Scotch Game
12. V Green vs G MacDonnell 0-1271862B.C.A. Grand TourneyC41 Philidor Defense
13. S Solomons vs V Green 0-1371862LondonA10 English
14. S Solomons vs V Green  1-0231862LondonA30 English, Symmetrical
15. V Green vs J Robey 1-0301862B.C.A. Grand TourneyC25 Vienna
16. Anderssen vs V Green 1-0261862B.C.A. Grand TourneyC39 King's Gambit Accepted
17. V Green vs Steinitz ½-½381862Casual gameA02 Bird's Opening
18. W M Chinnery vs V Green  ½-½431862B.C.A. Handicap t000 Chess variants
19. E Harris vs V Green  0-1341862B.C.A. Handicap t000 Chess variants
20. E Harris vs V Green 1-0131862B.C.A. Handicap t000 Chess variants
21. A Mongredien vs V Green 0-1291862B.C.A. Grand TourneyC33 King's Gambit Accepted
22. E Harris vs V Green  0-1511862B.C.A. Handicap t000 Chess variants
23. V Green vs Anderssen  0-1171862B.C.A. Handicap t000 Chess variants
24. V Green vs Anderssen 0-1531862B.C.A. Handicap t000 Chess variants
25. W M Chinnery vs V Green  0-1251862B.C.A. Handicap t000 Chess variants
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Kibitzer's Corner
Feb-14-04  Taidanii: Ouch...
Feb-14-04  Catfriend: <> 1983?! The last game shown here belongs to somebody else of course.

<Taidanii> His score doesn't, neccesarily, say he's very weak. Look at some of his opponents! Steinitz, Andersen, Paulsen, Lowental, Macdonnell, Mongredien (whom he defeated!), Owen... Half of the strongest players of the century!

Feb-14-04  Taidanii: Haha. I see your point. I honestly didn't pay attention to his opponents. My mistake.
Feb-14-04  Catfriend: Mongredien vs V Green, 1862
He plays quite O.K. here, doesn't he?
Feb-14-04  Taidanii: Indeed he does. A real thrashing, that game.
Feb-14-04  marcus13: I am sur he his a good player if he can draw against Steinitz.
Oct-28-04  aw1988: Valentine is supposed to be red. But his name is Green. That means we have Christmas. But he is Valentine. But Valentine is red. But his name is Green. We have Christmas. But he is Valentine...

Good heavens, we could go for hours.

Oct-28-04  WMD: No relation to Valentine Brown, though: Cecil Valentine De Vere.
Feb-14-09  WhiteRook48: funny thing. Valentine Green is player of the day on Valentine's day
Feb-14-09  YoungEd: Yes, but we should all know that in actuality on the official Catholic Church calendar, February 14 is St. Cyril's Day!
Feb-14-09  kramputz: <Feb-14-09 YoungEd: Yes, but we should all know that in actuality on the official Catholic Church calendar, February 14 is St. Cyril's Day! > I thought it was Al Capone Day.

Mar-04-09  WhiteRook48: this guy is too green
May-03-09  vikinx: <Valentine is supposed to be red. But his name is Green. That means we have Christmas. But he is Valentine. But Valentine is red. But his name is Green. We have Christmas. But he is Valentine...> Yes, I agree.
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  Penguincw: Perfect POTD!
Jan-18-16  zanzibar: <The Oxford Companion to Chess say the name caught on after a player called Valentine Green (1831-77) returned from India and introduced the fianchetto into tournament play. >

I don't have access to the Companion presently, but is this true?

Jun-24-17  zanzibar: Too bad his game against "The Brahmin", from his time in India, isn't here.

Nor his loss as White in a From Gambit against Healy.

Or his Mongredien Tourney games (e.g. against De Vere).

BTW- he wasn't exactly a strong player, but wasn't too bad for an amateur:

EDO ave = 2280 Peak = 2304 (1856)


Jun-24-17  zanzibar: Correction - Healey (not Healy)

Francis Healey

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  MissScarlett: Appears to be a distinct paucity of biographical detail for this player, although he was fleetingly active on the London chess scene for a number of years:

<Gaige (1987)> confirms that he died in London, but I couldn't find any death notices in the British press. As for chess magazines, 1877 seemed a particularly unfortunate year to die. The <Westminster Papers> was, apparently, the only British periodical in circulation, and I don't have access to it.

The Era, July 28th 1861, p.5:

<MR. VALENTINE GREEN, an Amateur whose name and reputation are well known in Chess circles, has just arrived in this country, after a long absence in India. On his arrival, Mr. Green immediately intimated to the Managing Director his intention of competing in the grand Tournament at Bristol. Mr. Green is at present in the North, but will shortly arrive in London, where his presence will, no doubt, be a source of much interest to Chess society. We are pleased to hear that Mr. Green has lost nothing of his old enthusiasm for the noble game, and that it is his intention to publish a little volume, recording his Chess experience in India, together with the games he played there with natives as well as Europeans.>

Edochess gives Green's last recorded chess before his moving to India as c.March 1856. Returning in July 1861 means that he could have been out of the country for up to 5 years.

Bristol Daily Post, September 9th 1861, p.2:

<Foremost in the list we find the Grand Tournament, in which some of the strongest players in the world will compete; the names already entered comprise among others that of Boden, reputed to be the strongest of English players. Kolisch also, who aspires to an equality with Morphy, Valentine Green, who has just returned from his encounters with the great Indian celebrities, and last not least, that of Paulsen, in some respects the most wonderful player who ever lived.>

This was printed the day before the Bristol event began; for whatever reason, Green didn't show and Wilson (mentioned as taking part in the Minor tournament) took his place: Game Collection: Bristol 1861

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