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Magnus Carlsen vs Viswanathan Anand
GRENKE Chess Classic (2019), Karlsruhe GER, rd 3, Apr-22
English Opening: King's English. Two Knights' Variation Smyslov System (A22)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Apr-22-19
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  OhioChessFan: Wow. Chess is hard.
Apr-22-19  ajile: Guess who's not showing up for the post game interview...
Apr-22-19  Pedro Fernandez: Will the world champion try to fight this game until the end just in the third round? How much stamina he has?
Apr-22-19  not not: he could hav go for queenless endgame with two bishops. third rank chess draws! terrible
Apr-22-19  That Roger: What do the engines say about the final position, is it a draw for them? I mean if white queen protects bishop, black queen can give check on c2 and when white king moves, trade off queens, or maybe keep giving checks? Is it a draw because it is too scary and uncertain to play on?
Apr-22-19
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  OhioChessFan: I'm glad <FSR> let pass a negative comment about Trump but responded immediately to a negative comment about Hillary.
Apr-22-19  Pedro Fernandez: What a good game we watched. Drawn is okay as the white king is totally exposed.
Apr-22-19  ChessHigherCat: The final position is very "nip and tuck" (if either side had just one more move) but otherwise I didn't think it was terribly interesting.

Just out of curiosity, how interesting do you guys think that game was (scale of 1 to 10)?

Apr-22-19
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  OhioChessFan: <Pedro> yes, and the easy part to forget is that as a kibitzer, <every single time> you get a move wrong, you'd have blown the game. MC and Vishy drug all of us through all of the land mines, then each one had a big mistake, easy enough for us to see (sort of), but we'd have been on the sidelines long ago with a loss if they hadn't made the right move <every single time> instead of our suggested moves.
Apr-22-19  wood n tempo: <That Roger: ...Is it a draw because it is too scary and uncertain to play on?> White has a perpetual check with Qh4+ and Qh8+.
Apr-22-19  Ulhumbrus: Well defended by Anand, if you consider that Carlsen's two other opponents did not manage to hold their games even from an advantageous position, but then, they were not former world champions either.
Apr-22-19
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  tamar: Dancing Rook had load management issues dancing three days in a row, so Magnus set him down with 56 Qe2
Apr-22-19  That Roger: <White has a perpetual check with Qh4+ and Qh8+> and a perpetual check is taken when one doesnt think its possible to win? If the queens are off the board is it a certain draw, or does black have a chance to win, could come down to a Zugzwang with the kings trying to get to the week pawns, and still maybe the knights dancing may have some advantages. Would the engines take the draw in this position? If you told them not to and they played it out what would happen?
Apr-22-19  ChessHigherCat: <Pedro Fernandez: What a good game we watched. Drawn is okay as the white king is totally exposed.>

I agree that it was very impressive how Anand fought his way out of the bad position after the opening, but it would have been more interesting if he had played better in the opening.

Apr-22-19  Ulhumbrus: If the move 11 f4 can be considered a threat after 10 Qe2, suppose that Black plays 10...Nc5 and on 11 Bc2 Nfd7. Then on 12 f4 f6 comes in time to avoid getting the bishop trapped by f5.
Apr-22-19  Pedro Fernandez: Agree my great <ChessHighestCat>.
Apr-22-19  That Roger: <ChessHigherCat> I first entered the game around the move 40s, and while I cant rate it out of 10, I think it is one of the more interesting games that have been played in the tournament so far, and the position in the move 40s I thought was very alluring, beautiful, sexy, because each side had 3 minor pieces and queens, one side with the bishop pair, one (or two dont remember) with double pawns, an open file in the middle and two on the sides, barricades of pawns, and there was so much potential, so much open freedom for different ideas and plans to attack and generate weaknesses and imbalances, that was the beauty, all that potential, all the possible move combo and choices. White had the furthest promoted pawns and black seemed to be something more on the defensive. Sometimes there are chess positions which take you away, to another planet, the true magic and beauty of chess, there have been positions I have seen where the position becomes very imaginative, where it resembles something you would find in an older video game like mario or something with characters moving about architecture and blocks and levels, and it reminds me of things like a beach or jungle, a pawn structure might be jagged and zig zagged and this may create an in depth aesthetic psychological pleasure in me of novelty and beauty and rarity, of creating a particular realm to maneuver and play in, it becomes fun, it becomes and is creative, and the beauty of the depth and packed potential of the position becomes a psychological deep dimensional realm of imaginative textural experience, the mind carving out over and over all these patterns of the position and possibilities creates a real misty tactile thickness which the player (or observer) can exist in, and see and feel and move about in a sculpture garden of lifelike figures and ghost moves generating a sentimental and nostalgic and romantic and fantasyastic mystique of deeply existing in a particular evolving realm of a particular infinite potential, with the player having the power over its shrinking and expanding
Apr-22-19  ChessHigherCat: <That Roger>

Just the number, please. (Just kidding, very poetic!)

Apr-22-19  ajile: I just want people to understand- I said SPROCKET NOT SOCKET.
Apr-23-19  Olsonist: Heat check game.
Apr-23-19
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  AylerKupp: <<offramp> I have seen Leela. Anyone can. The directions are at offramp chessforum (kibitz #1534).

Unless you live near London it would probably be cheaper to download LeelaC0 to your computer and "see" it from there. Refer to https://github.com/LeelaChessZero/l....

And you can probably touch the pieces even though a game might be in progress; that will be up to you. And if you name your computer "Ursula", you can touch her too.

Apr-23-19  restless: Great Battle!
An interesting fork would have been: 37.Nd5...
For example: 37.Nd5 Nexd5 38.cxd5 b6 39.c4 Na6 40.f6 g6 41.Qg7
Apr-23-19  Eyal: The post-mortem by Carlsen & Anand: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2r...

lip-synced by Jan Gustafsson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7S...

Apr-26-19
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  MissScarlett: At 7.50 in the post-mortem video, Anand explains 10...c6 with <I fell asleep at the wheel.> Well, that's what can happen if you wear a comfort blanket on your head.
Aug-22-20  amadeus: Thanks for the links, <Eyal>.
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