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Reuben Fine vs Robert Greene
"Mr. Greene did it in the simul with the Bishop" (game of the day Apr-05-2022)
Simul, 43b (1946) (exhibition), Santa Monica, CA USA, Nov-05
Nimzo-Indian Defense: Normal Variation. Bishop Attack (E47)  ·  0-1

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Apr-05-22
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  al wazir: 29. Qxb6 would have been interesting, e.g., 29...Nxd5 30. Nxd5 Qe6.

29...cxb6 30. Rxd7 Nxd5 31. Nxd5 Bxd5 looks drawish.

Apr-05-22
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  HeMateMe: I don't have a Clue how to decipher this pun...
Apr-05-22  nalinw: As approved by Miss Scarlett?
Apr-05-22
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  FSR: These puns are too deep for me.
Apr-05-22
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  Teyss: <HeMateMe> <FSR> Probably a reference to the game Cluedo where you win when saying e.g. "Mr Green did it in the study with the dagger".
There are two extra hidden puns: Green is a reverend (hence Bishop) and one of the characters is called... Miss Scarlett.
Granted, slightly obscure. Now let's look at the game.
Apr-05-22
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  Teyss: Oh, just realised <HeMateMe> put a capital "C" to "Clue", which proves he/she is smart and I am stupid or cannot read properly (preferably the latter).
Apr-05-22  goodevans: A very apt pun but a poor game. Sloppy play by the 'star turn' (11.h3? 36.Qd7??) but his amateur opponent kept letting him back into the game until the finale.
Apr-05-22  Brenin: I believe that in the US the board game Cluedo (itself a pun on the game Ludo = "I play" in Latin) is called Clue. Presumably the pun was deemed to be too subtle for Americans. Also, I believe that Rev Green is plain Mr Green over there.
Apr-05-22
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  igiene: Maybe the pun is related to the two books by S.S. Van Dine , " The Greene Murder Case" and " The Bishop Murder Case"
Apr-05-22
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  yiotta: I'm tempted to say this game could have helped Fine close the door on his chess career, but the reason is probably more subtle.

Anyway, let's give a hand for Bobby Greene, who played at the Santa Monica club at least into the eighties.

Apr-05-22
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  HeMateMe: Clue was a successful board game in the USA in the 70s, even spawned a movie. I've never heard of Cluedo, though.
Apr-05-22  goodevans: <HMM> "Cluedo (/ˈkluːdoʊ/), known as Clue in North America, ... was first manufactured by Waddingtons in the United Kingdom in 1949...". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluedo
Apr-05-22
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  Sally Simpson: ...Mr Green is called The Reverend Green in the UK version. America did not like a man of the cloth being a murderer so made him an ordinary Mister.

(The victim in the UK version is Mr Black - America, for obvious reasons, changed it to Mr A. Body)

The film, The Green Man (1956) with Alastair Sim has a number of chess scenes in it.

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/T23X88/th...

All this on the pun - I've not yet looked at the game.

Apr-05-22
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  MissScarlett: Fine scored +39 -2 =2. Here's the other loss: Fine vs J Holtrichter, 1946
Apr-05-22
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  Teyss: <Sally Simpson: America did not like a man of the cloth being a murderer so made him an ordinary Mister.> How typical, reminds me of the Hays code for movies: "Authority figures had to be treated with respect, and the clergy could not be portrayed as comic characters or villains."

<The victim in the UK version is Mr Black - America, for obvious reasons, changed it to Mr A. Body> Typical again, akin to renaming "Ten Little Niggers". Well at least it's consistently PC.

Apparently also in the US version the weapons displayed in the game are real and the revolver is loaded. Except for the children under 10 set.

Apr-05-22
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  HeMateMe: Apparently you CAN be murdered with a candlestick. About 25 years ago around Duluth MN a guy was dating a woman who was heir to a fortune. He snuck into the mansion one night, alone, and killed both the elderly matriarch and her night nurse, perhaps acting alone. I think his name was Roger Congdon or Roger Caldwell. Authorities found a bloodied candlestick.
Apr-05-22
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  FSR: <Teyss> I was wondering if the capitalized <Clue> was a clue. Apparently so. Never played that game.
Apr-05-22
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  perfidious: <Teyss....How typical, reminds me of the Hays code for movies....>

Good grief, was Will Hays a puritanical wretch.

<....<The victim in the UK version is Mr Black - America, for obvious reasons, changed it to Mr A. Body> Typical again, akin to renaming "Ten Little Niggers". Well at least it's consistently PC....>

Eccch!

Apr-06-22
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  gezafan: <Teyss: <Sally Simpson: America did not like a man of the cloth being a murderer so made him an ordinary Mister.> How typical, reminds me of the Hays code for movies: "Authority figures had to be treated with respect, and the clergy could not be portrayed as comic characters or villains.">

Nowadays Christian clergy are usually portrayed in a negative way. If any clergy is portrayed as comic characters or villains it will always be Christian clergy.

The clergy of non-Christian religions are never portrayed in a negative way. Only Christians.

It's typical of liberals to pretend that Christians are not singled out for negative treatment.

Apr-06-22
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  HeMateMe: the roman catholic church is the largest organized religion in the world. Of course they get the most attention. They are also the world's wealthiest corporation.
Apr-06-22  Immortal Gambit: Anyone here seen Bill and Ted 2?

Death: I believe Colonel Mustard did it in the study with the candle stick.

Bill/Ted: You lose, Death. It was Professor Plum.

Death: Best 3 out of 5!

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