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Magnus Carlsen vs Vladimir Kramnik
Tata Steel Masters (2018), Hilversum NED, rd 5, Jan-17
Italian Game: Italian Variation (C50)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Jan-17-18  Marmot PFL: Svidler explaining the drawing method on the live broadcast now (just finished) https://www.tatasteelchess.com/live...
Jan-17-18  spingo: The Soviets ALWAYS know the drawing method.
Jan-17-18  chessdgc2: It's over,
congratulations to Kramnik
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Jan-17-18  Marmot PFL: I would lose this, would have played 46 Ra3+, which is only good when the king is on g3. But Carlsen gets it right, you have to know these things to be the king.
Jan-17-18
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Jan-17-18
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  Gypsy: Should not this be a draw? (White K is positioned well)
Jan-17-18  Olsonist: ничья.
Jan-17-18  Marmot PFL: The key seems to be always ready to answer Kg3 with Ra3+ (or another 3rd rank check).
Jan-17-18  spingo: Ignore g7 pawn
Jan-17-18  chessdgc2: Marmot PFL: That's true, but in this case, White's third-rank options can be exhausted...surely Carlsen sees this?
Jan-17-18  spingo: With the white king in front of the pawn there is no win.
Jan-17-18  Marmot PFL: White loses if the black king gets to h3 but it seems that white can prevent this
Jan-17-18  BOSTER: < Marmot PFL: you have to know these things to be the king>. Even the king has right to go wrong.
Jan-17-18  ChessHigherCat: Kramnik found Stockfish's no. 1 choice after a quick trip to the powder room.
Jan-17-18  Marmot PFL: 51 Rb5 to answer Kh3 with Rh5+
Jan-17-18  BOSTER: And only now Kramnik agree to draw.
Jan-17-18
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  Fusilli: I believe Kramnik's goal is to reach this position:


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Here black plays Rf2 with the idea of Rf1+ winning. I don't see how white would survive. To get here, I think Kramnik has to time the advance of his backward g pawn well, so as to use it to shield his king from the last white check on the third rank, after which Carlsen will have to send his rook back to the first rank and wait for execution.

Jan-17-18
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  Fusilli: 57...g2 now, following the plan I proposed, right?
Jan-17-18
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  Fusilli: Oh wait, if 57...g2 58.Rc3 draws
Jan-17-18  Marmot PFL: Moving pawn to g2 almost guarantees stalemate.
Jan-17-18  john barleycorn: that's a 6 piece endgame. Where is the tablebase?
Jan-17-18  ChessHigherCat: If g3 Rc8 and white can keep the king away from h3 by checking on the h file
Jan-17-18  ChessHigherCat: Yeah Magnus! Maybe the idea of g4 was that they really don't like each other and Carlsen was saying "look you douchebag, I'll give you a free pawn and still draw!"
Jan-17-18  SEVEN: A similar finale arose in the game Tiviakov vs Stellwagen, 2001 It ended draw as well. Since Kramnik and Tiviakov can't find a winning plan I would say it is theoretical draw
Jan-18-18  Petrosianic: Yeah, especially since the tablebase says the same, it's hard not to agree. And since Carlsen went into the ending in the first place when he didn't have to.
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