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Rasmus Svane vs Alexander Donchenko
UKA German Masters (2015), Dresden, rd 2, Aug-20
Queen's Indian Defense: Classical Variation (E17)  ·  1-0

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Nov-04-16  YouRang: <swclark25: <YouRang> how do you get updated board position displays in your comments?>

I use a PGN viewer to load the game moves (via copy/paste). The viewer lets me move through the game, enter other variations, and at any time copy the current position to the clipboard (as a FEN string), which I can then paste into my post.

The PGN viewer I use is called Arena (it's free).

Nov-04-16  mel gibson: I didn't see it but I didn't spend more than 20 seconds looking at it. The solution is such a quite little move
but brilliant to hold the white squares
with the White Queen & then go in for a huge attack.
May-19-21  Walter Glattke: 36.Bh6+ Kxh6 (36.-Kh8 37.Qf7 Re7 38.dxe7 Bg7 39.Qxg7#) 37.Qg8 Re7 38.dxe7 e.g. Bxe4 39.Qxh7# B) 36.Qc7 Rd8 37.Bxd7 Kh8 38.Bxb6 Rxd7 39.Qxd7 Bxe4 >Bh1/>Qg2 40.Qh3 Bg6 41.d7 Rd4 42.d8Q ++-
May-19-21
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  agb2002: Level 2.5: ?... 24.
Van Wely vs Yusupov, 2000


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May-19-21  mel gibson: I saw my comment above from 5 years ago.
I meant a quiet move - LOL.

Stockfish 13 says mate in 6

36. Bh6+

(36. Bh6+ (♗e3-h6+ ♔g7xh6 ♕c4-g8
♖e8-e7 d6xe7 ♕a8-e8 e7xf8♕+ ♕e8xf8 ♕g8xf8+ ♔h6-g5 ♕f8-g7+) +M6/109 26)

May-19-21
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  corneliussulla: any of 3 moves win--Qg7 Qe2 so the position is completely unsound
May-19-21
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  corneliussulla: the mistake is in the opening!!!!!!
10.Nc2 then black moves the knight AGAIN!
May-19-21
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  perfidious: Black took the Robert Ciaffone maxim <if you want a man to hang himself, leave some slack in the rope> too far.
May-19-21  Brenin: Once again the first move 36 Bh6+ is obvious, allowing 37 Qg8 (if Black takes the bait with 36 ... Kxh6) or 37 Qf7 (if Black declines with 36 ... Kh8), both threatening 38 Qxh7+ Kg5 39 Qg6#. In fact, 27 Qf7 also wins (though less quickly) after 36 ... Kxh6, e.g. 37 ... Bg7 38 g4 hxg4 39 Bxg4 Bh8 40 Rb3 Ra3 41 Rxa3 Qxa3 42 Qxe8.
May-19-21  malt: 36.Bh6+ K:h6

(36...Kh8 37.Qf7 Re7 38.de7 B:h6 39.Qh7# )

37.Qg8 Re7 38.de7 Qe8 39.Q:h7+ Kg5
40.e:f8/Q Q:f8 41.Qg6#

May-19-21  Walter Glattke: Van Wely vs. Y. 26.Nxh4 Qh2+ 27.Kf1 Qh1#
May-19-21  awfulhangover: Everybody can spot 36. Bh6+ within seconds, but took me time to find 38. Qg8! Calculated 38. Qf7, but wasn´t convinced. Well, it works fine, but the comp´s line is too sofisticated for most humans.
May-19-21  Whitehat1963: Clever tactic that yields a more direct route! Hadn’t even looked in that direction.
May-19-21  1g1yy: How disappointing... Subtleties... I had about 3 ideas, all of which won material and position, but weren't a home run. For whatever reason I had Qf7 in my mind, and that line failed if Bg7 blocking the queens path to take h7. Never occurred to me Qg8 solves that. :D
May-19-21
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  chrisowen: Quite vigilant evicts Bh6+ hatchets accreditation evicts avid vigilant mack ahh rah von guv quite evicts cog fragile its ok divots evicts dallies wobble quick phylum hi one it ok divots evicts venom muzzle its cuffs evicts fag figures evict gerts within dope puzzle evicts emily von guv ivory tot add iotas fab hud ivory hilight add huffle plush fancy fifth pot it weds ivory fisch dane its fall down Bh6+ cub?
May-19-21  AlicesKnight: Found the gameline (37.Qg8 much better than Qf7). Black seemed oblivious of what was coming. A nice contrast in the activity of Bishops between White and Black.
May-19-21  Cheapo by the Dozen: From this starting point, I probably would have played 36 Qc7 over the board, at least if I noticed that 36 ... Rd8 fails to 37 Bxb6.

That doesn't win as quickly as the game line, but it demolishes Black even so.

May-19-21  Cheapo by the Dozen: You know, this game could be an example in Larry Evans' New Ideas In Chess. White establishes a bit space advantage, and when Black painfully maneuvers to whittle it down, White winds up having converted it into a "time" advantage for a mating attack.
May-19-21  TheaN: For once I spotted <36.Bh6+ Kxh6 (Kh8 37.Qf7 Re7 38.dxe7 with 39.Qxh7#) 37.Qg8! Re7 38.dxe7> in its entirety. Okay, there I stopped claiming a win, missing the nice finish 38....Qe8 (else 38.Qxh7+ with 39.Qg6#) 39.exf8Q+ Qxf8 40.Qxf8 Kg8 41.Qg7#.

<corneliussulla: any of 3 moves win--Qg7 Qe2 so the position is completely unsound>

Not sure what this is supposed to be. 36.Qf7+? Kxf7 -+ outright throws the queen for nothing, if you mean 37.Qf7 +12 then yes, but Qg8 #6 is just better and leaves Black without defense.

Qe2 is the opposite, good on move 36, not on 37: 36.Qe2 ± yields a better position for White but not out yet after 36....Bxe4! reinforcing some weaknesses. 37.Qe2 Bxe4 -+ is dead lost.

When you post criticism like this at least post it clearly. Here, I think the key is the mating combination, not necessarily getting a better position, which White already had.

May-19-21  Brenin: <1g1yy>: Don't be too hard on yourself: after 36 Bh6+ Kxh6, 37 Qf7 isn't refuted by 37 ... Bg7, it still wins but not by a quick mate: 38 g4 threatens 39 Qxh5#, so Black must play 38 ... hxg4, and then 39 Bxg4 renews the threat, forcing 39 ... Bh8 (giving Black's K an escape to g7). Now 40 Rb3, threatening 41 Rh3#, forces 40 ... Ra3, so 41 Rxa3 Qxa3 42 Qh5+ Kg7 43 Qxe8 wins the exchange, and leaves White with a huge positional advantage, including a passed P on d6 after Qxd7+.
May-19-21
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  Once: There's an echo of Monday's POTD. Again we see a lone king trying to patrol two entry squares. This time it is g8 and f7. 36. Bh6+ forces the black king to move and let the white queen in.
May-19-21
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  chrisowen: No lefty no yeah? Good no bet far no? Master moulder addition no?
May-19-21
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  noads4me: Easy for **
May-19-21
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  corneliussulla: any of 3 moves win--Qf7 ,Qg8 after Bxh6 /Qe2 immediately also wins this is to clarify my first post-the glaring error at move10 by black leads to inevitable loss . Re8 keeps it even
May-19-21  1g1yy: <Brenin: Don't be too hard on yourself: >

I just have to chuckle at myself a little bit. The more I feel like I'm getting better at calculating these things, the more I see combinations that I haven't calculated correctly. It's what makes the game fun I guess.

I have a problem with tunnel vision that I think I need to work on some. I look at the correct piece and even the correct direction but I often times don't look at landing on the correct Square. I know, that's why people have different rating levels. But there are times when I feel like I'm really close to seeing all this stuff and other times where oh, I know I have a long way to go.

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