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| Oct-16-15 | | bobthebob: <If he was a tennis player then throwing the chess board would have been acceptable behavior.
If he was football then kicking and slapping the opponent would have been acceptable behavior.> Not sure what you are talking about.
In tennis, racquet abuse (e.g. throwing it) is a fine-able offense (as happened in Wimbledon this year)
and potentially loss of a point.
In American Football, "excessive celebration" after a touchdown is met with a combination of penalties, fines and potentially suspension. College basketball has similar rules.
As for tantrums, there are plenty of penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct also. No way that QxF1 is a win for white in normal play. In blitz play, either side could blunder and given what happened, it is more likely that Carlsen would blunder. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | ozu: I don't feel too bad for Carlsen because, well, he makes a lot more money than me. But I do think Ivanchuk was trying to get under his skin at the end of the game. And he did get under his skin. And some part of Carlsen felt betrayed by an audience that applauds a poor winner. As for Carlsen being a baby; I saw Roger Federer cry (actually cry in front of a huge Australian Open Crowd and enormous television audience) and exclaim "This is killing me" after losing in the final. He wanted it that bad. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | bobthebob: <But I do think Ivanchuk was trying to get under his skin at the end of the game.> How?
I just saw the reaction when he essentially won. At that point it was over andd his reaction lasted all of a couple seconds. Then is was back to being somber. Was there something Ivanchuk was doing before Magnus played Q-D2 to get under his skin? Did y |
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Oct-16-15
 | | JointheArmy: <But I do think Ivanchuk was trying to get under his skin at the end of the game.> This guy has probably never seen Ivanchuk or anyone professional live before. |
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Oct-17-15
 | | offramp: Here is an interesting stat:
"LIFETIME RECORD:
Classical games: Magnus Carlsen beat Vassily Ivanchuk 8 to 3, with 15 draws.
Including rapid/exhibition games: Magnus Carlsen beat Vassily Ivanchuk 16 to 15, with 28 draws. <Only rapid/exhibition games: Vassily Ivanchuk beat Magnus Carlsen 12 to 8, with 13 draws.>" Basil is doing very well at the quick games. |
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| Oct-17-15 | | Absentee: Ivanchuk's reaction was priceless. He looked like a child who's being surprised with a toy he wished for. Wonderful. Carlsen was on the ugly end of it, but Ivanchuk's radiant humanity sould have been enough to eclipse any ill feeling. |
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| Oct-17-15 | | anandrulez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTg... has a full game video though the players face is not visible as much. |
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Oct-17-15
 | | SpaceRunner: Carlsen is just a young man -don't forget ! |
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| Oct-17-15 | | Dionysius1: Yes, it was exciting to see Carlsen losing his cool. But he shook hands first, then had a very short hissy fit. To my eyes that showed no lack of respect to his opponent: a childish tantrum would have been if he had not had the composure to shake hands first. |
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| Oct-17-15 | | Pulo y Gata: Some notable <Naksters> would like to crucify Carlsen there and then, but they are only showing their lack of understanding of intense competitive spirit. Carlsen's reaction may not have been best, but, if anything, his disappointment is with himself, which was further fanned by the cheering of the crowd. |
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Oct-17-15
| | offramp: <Dionysius1: Yes, it was exciting to see Carlsen losing his cool. But he shook hands first, then had a very short hissy fit. To my eyes that showed no lack of respect to his opponent...> Exactly my thoughts. But I wasn't sure how to say it, then you expressed it EXACTLY. |
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Oct-17-15
| | offramp: Black's queen was an absolute pest. |
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| Oct-17-15 | | siggemannen: Chucky's face was the best, he looked really happy |
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| Oct-17-15 | | Dionysius1: Thanks <Offramp> :-) |
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| Oct-18-15 | | zanzibar: At move twenty-two Carlsen's queen attacks the f-pawn, and Ivanchuk defends with 22.Qf4 Rf1
Better for Black would have been to trade the pawn pin for a pin on the knight 22.Qf4 Be5 23.Qe3 Bf5 
(White has nothing for the pawn)
But what if White takes the pawn on f7?
If 22.Qf4 Be5 23.Qxf7
click for larger view1k1r2r1 /pp2pQ2/3p4/2pPb2p/4N1bP/6P1/qP2PPB1/1R2R1K1 b - - 0 23 (It's a simple tactical, once you realize it) |
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| Oct-18-15 | | zanzibar: A huge and beautiful theme in Ivanchuk's attack is playing ...Qd4! It shows up at some point in many of the different variations that were unplayed, but which give Black a clear winning advantage. It's some beautiful attacking chess, where Black can penetrate on the very squares that look strongest because of White's pawn-chain - the dark squares. Maybe later I'll show a couple of these lines...
In the actual there weren't any big swings of fortune (except at the very, very end). Carlsen was in serious trouble after the pawn grab 33.Bxh5, and clearly Black "deserved" the win for obtaining the better position and maintaining the attack. (Even if the game was a little sloppy at the very end - in classic blitz style). |
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| Oct-18-15 | | BOSTER: <talwnbe4: 38. Qxf1 is fine>.
The rook can be taken by the queen , only if one maintains a calm nervous system and clear head.
And white had 3 pieces vs black queen.
It was possible that shaking hands this once flashed through Carlsen's mind. |
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| Aug-31-16 | | whiteshark: Here's another good <Norwegian Vid> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHZ... |
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| Aug-01-17 | | ZackyMuhammad: 39. ♔ h3 39... ♕x g3#. Please chucky, beat carlsen again. |
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| Jul-18-22 | | areknames: Fun game and pun, good job <tga>! |
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| Jul-18-22 | | ChessHigherCat: This is crazy. At first I thought black could win a piece with 14. Bxc3 Qxc3 15. Qxe4 but then I saw that black's rook was hanging on h8. Okay, that situation persists until black castles long on move 16 but even then Carlsen ignored the threat of Bxc3 and just played Rb1! After thinking the obligatory "What the fluke!", I figured out that Carlsen must be planning to meet 17...Bxc3 with 18. Qxc3 and if Qxe4 then 19. f3 forking the black Q and B. The only problem is that would give Black a pretty big advantage according to storkfish:
-2.29 (27 ply) 19.f3 Qxd5 20.fxg4 hxg4 21.Rbd1
I know this was a blitz game but Carlsen is generally foolproof. Am I missing something? |
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Jul-18-22
 | | beatgiant: <ChessHigherCat> 17...Bxc3 <18. Bg2> wins back the piece because the bishop is pinned. The ensuing complications look good for White. |
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| Jul-18-22 | | ChessHigherCat: Yeah, okay, thanks. |
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Jul-18-22
 | | Messiah: Whoops! :-) |
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| Jul-18-22 | | ChessHigherCat: <Messiah> Whoops what? You couldn't contain your joy juice? I was just asking a question because I didn't understand the position. Ahyuk, ahyuk, ahiiiiiiilk! |
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