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| Oct-05-14 | | Sokrates: I think Mamedyarov realised his ressources had dried out. Caruana just need 2-3 moves to activate his material (a4+Ra3 or otherwise) and then his many pawns will fall like autumn leaves. |
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| Oct-05-14 | | Lupara: After 23.Qf1, the commentators (two GMs) indicated the game would be over in a couple of moves, because Mamedyarov's position was so hopeless. |
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| Oct-05-14 | | PhilFeeley: Terrific game. Did black have a better plan than to sac everything? |
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Oct-05-14
 | | tamar: He could play quietly 13...Bg6 as Caruana said he expected in the press conference. He thought White would be slightly better after allowing Black to exchange on d3. |
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| Oct-05-14 | | Conrad93: Stockfish at depth 25 still thinks white is losing. |
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| Oct-05-14 | | squlpt: No, Stockfish has white winning at all depths I've seen. (2.98) for depth 33 with black move 34. ...Rh2 Komodo 8 gives white (2.03) for 34....Rh2 at depth 30 |
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| Oct-05-14 | | Jambow: Looked like a club player attack imho, It was unsound and dually punished. Caruana remained cool as a cucumber solidifying his king and preparing for a counter offensive with a decisive material advantage. |
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| Oct-05-14 | | dehanne: That sacrifice wouldn't even work in a bullet game. |
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| Oct-05-14 | | kia0708: funny coments: :-)))
Sokrates: "Caruana just need 2-3 moves to activate his material (a4+Ra3 or otherwise) and then his many pawns will fall like autumn leaves." PhilFeeley: "Did black have a better plan than to sac everything?" |
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| Oct-05-14 | | Doniez: All the engines, at the final position reached in the game, give an evslsuton very clear, more than +2. In this position, black has no chance against a superGM, or you can try to play on and hope for a big blunder by Caruana, and then another blunder. But you don't need engines to evaluate the final position. By the way, the black sac had no counter play at all. |
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| Oct-05-14 | | Reisswolf: Perhaps the engines are convinced that White is winning. Still, five pawns for a rook is not anything to scoff at. I feel Mamedyarov should have played on at least a bit more. Caruana is a very good player, but he is still human. He might have erred. |
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| Oct-05-14 | | squlpt: 5 pawns for rook + bishop..
Black pawn mass looks imposing but no match for two extra pieces |
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| Oct-05-14 | | Lupara: <<Reiswolff> ... Still, five pawns for a rook is not anything to scoff at. ...> You're correct <Reiswollf>. As children, we were taught that five Pawns equal a Rook. But as you know, when making an evaluation of five Pawns for a Rook in a real game, we have to consider other material and positional factors: King safety, piece activity, outposts, weak squares (weak square complex), mobile Pawn mass, open file control, the seventh rank, the Bishop pair, doubled Pawns, isolated Pawns, imbalances, etc. In the present game, Caruana rightfully "scoffed" at Black's five Pawns for a Rook. And with good reason. There is a dearth of compensation to Black for the material invested (thrown away!?). Put another way, Caruana had a Rook and a Bishop for the five Pawns and Black had no positional compensation to show for his deficit in material. Indeed, I first looked at the game after it was completed (I didn't want to wake up early on a Sunday to follow the live game) and it was pretty clear to me that Black had nothing for the Rook and Bishop except five Pawns. My evaluation, without a comp, was White had a significant advantage and was winning comfortably. All of the computer evaluations (that bent beyond 20 plys and 20 seconds processing time) confirmed this as did the GM commentary on the recorded video stream. Given these obvious considerations and given the playing level (not class players but Super GMs), there was little reason for Mamedyarov to play on. |
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| Oct-05-14 | | greed and death: This looks like what happens when I try stuff like this, not like it usually looks like when a super-GM does it. |
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| Oct-06-14 | | 1d410: Mamedyarov should be congratulated for trying something like this. It is very interesting, even though I don't understand it. And one of my favorite players wins :) |
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| Oct-06-14 | | notyetagm: Caruana vs Mamedyarov, 2014 <kia0708: funny coments: :-)))<<<PhilFeeley: "Did black have a better plan than to sac everything?">>>> ROFLMAO |
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| Oct-06-14 | | Neogy: How about 26....Bg5? Giving up the Rook for the Bishop on d3 and possibly keeping the white King within the black Queen's clutches. |
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| Oct-06-14 | | csmath: Mamedyarov play here is typical of Shark, this is his style.
His problem is that he met a player that has played defense near perfect and in particularly 15-24 moves are played perfectly. You cannot beat a defense like that unless your attack is sound and perfect too. I think this should make everybody think twice before going on sacs versus Fabiano. |
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| Oct-06-14 | | SirRuthless: Weak play from black, correct result. |
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Oct-06-14
 | | kingscrusher: I video annotated this game here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OI... |
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| Oct-08-14 | | jkiipli: Even thou Mame's results are not so good lately, he is one of my favorite players. He's not afraid to lose, creates an interesting play, he's not like the rest of the pussies out there worrying only about their scoresheets.
And I belive that was what Kasparov meant while he commented when asked by Short about Caruanas progress back in Tromso, asking back 'what progress?' saying basically that to be a world champ you have to show up more daring play.
I'm not against Caruana in particular, even Carlsen shows up quite dull lately. |
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| Oct-08-14 | | jkiipli: In my previous comment I maybe was a bit critical of Caruana's play in general, nevertheless I liked how he defended without faltering, can't cay anything bad about this. |
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Oct-11-14
 | | Richard Taylor: It is great to see Marmedyarov "give it a go" so to speak. I've gone in for extravagant sacrifices like this with only tenuous chances and lost (sometimes after some sharp chess), clearly at the "bunny" level. Maybe he finds the kind or relatively quiet chess that wins tournaments not to his liking or he tried it on for Caruana. I think it is good to see, as long as he plays more of his games more 'sanely' I suppose, as those 'slower' games are also interesting. The defence here looks good by Caruana, and in fact, defence is another skill chess players need. Interesting game nevertheless.
Reminiscent in theme or 'fate' of Marshall's first trial of his Defence where Capablanca defeated it OTB, sight unseen so to speak. (Although he knew he was facing prep.) |
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| Oct-12-14 | | Jambow: Nice video <kingscrusher> Laughed when you said Caruana remained cool as a cucumber. |
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| Oct-21-14 | | Starkraven: @<<jkiipli>>: <In my previous comment I maybe was a bit critical of Caruana's play in general> yep & you had a stab @ Maggers too!... point of order old son, your bio sez youse's a 27yr old spring chicken 'n youse's "discovered" checky pops only a mere 3yrs ago but have been a *cg.com* member for ~ 11yrs - how does that work?...tia.. . |
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