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Viswanathan Anand vs Ruslan Ponomariov
Bilbao Masters (2014), Bilbao ESP, rd 1, Sep-14
King's Indian Defense: Normal Variation. Rare Defenses (E90)  ·  1-0



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Sep-15-14  coolconundrum: Happy to see Anand showing such good form leading up to the WC rematch. Let's see if he can keep it up.
Sep-15-14  vkk: i wonder if anand will steal the show yet again
Sep-15-14  Ulhumbrus: 6 h3 (and even more so 9 g4) disturbs the king side pawns and amounts to a declaration that White is going to castle on the queen side. This suggests ...c5 instead of 6...e5 eg 6...b6 7 Be3 c5

One question which may be asked of the move 9...Nc5 is this: Is this the best way to prepare a queen side pawn storm by ...b5? An alternative is 9...c6 followed by ...Nc7 and ...b5

Sep-15-14  MarkFinan: Top game from Anand! Some really good positional chess that I didn't find boring for once. I saw someone getting excited on twitter last night over the g4-5 h4 so thought I'd check it out. Great from someone who's considered old in chess terms, can't wait for the Carlsen match.
Sep-15-14  PhilFeeley: <JB> He faced it once according to the collection here:

Fischer vs E Gomez, 1970

It was a simul and he lost.

Sep-15-14  ncbhaskaran9: That's a top game from Vishy Anand. Joy to play it through, and what nerves of steel!
Sep-15-14  honeypot: Good old nail-biting precision from Vishy!

Patzers like me had little clue while the game was alive and engines switched off.

Guess he's back!

Sep-15-14  mrbasso: He was never away...
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  perfidious: <mrbasso: He was never away...>

True, of course, though not to hear some tell it.

Fine positional game by Anand, capped by various tactical strokes which kept matters under control just when his redoubtable opponent looked like getting free of the coils.

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  MissScarlett: Was 14...b6 the novelty? Black didn't get anything from opening the b-file.
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  PawnSac: < Garech: Wow! Great game indeed. Magnus will be sweating!! >

I'm not so convinced of that.
In the September FIDE top 100, Pono is #32 at 2717, but in the live rating he is #40 at 2709. He is WAY down the list from #1. It is expected that the WCC challenger would dust off someone that far down the list. But this does not constitute a serious threat to #1. To beat Magnus Vishi must bring a fresh approach to the board, like Caruana has done, but in a consistent fashion so as to beat Magnus in several critical rounds while holding him off in the rest of the games.

Keep in mind, the challenger must beat the champ by 2 games and hold the lead because with a draw score the champ retains his title. With only a 1 game lead Magnus can win 1 late round to draw.

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  PawnSac: To be a convincing threat Vishi needs to put up a score like Fab in the Sinquefield among top players.
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  perfidious: <PawnSac: To be a convincing threat Vishi needs to put up a score like Fab in the Sinquefield among top players.>

This standard is, to put it mildly, unrealistic--even Carlsen would have to play out of his mind to make 8.5/10 in that field. This is no everyday occurrence.

Sep-16-14  SetNoEscapeOn: <Keep in mind, the challenger must beat the champ by 2 games and hold the lead because with a draw score the champ retains his title. With only a 1 game lead Magnus can win 1 late round to draw.>

What world are you living in, son?

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  PawnSac: < Landman: 57...h1Q 58. Bf8 mate. I wonder how far back Anand had seen that? >

probably after blacks 53. ...Qe1, but definitely before he captured the B with 55.Nxc7. He couldn't just let the H passer walk without a mate threat or his own pawn promote.

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  PawnSac: <SetNoEscapeOn: <Keep in mind, the challenger must beat the champ by 2 games...>

What world are you living in, son?>

"son"?? you'd better be about 80.

What i mean is that he needs to establish a 2 game lead in the match so that a late win by Carlsen won't be a drawn score.

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  PawnSac: < perfidious: This is no everyday occurrence.>

yes perf, i know. it was an exaggeration. What Vishi needs to do is demonstrate clear superiority in a field of top rated players. For example, in the Sinquefield, if he had played and won the match 1 or 1.5 ahead of the pack (which included Magnus), THEN Magnus would have good reason to be concerned. My point was that people are getting excited because Vishi is winning in a tourney with much lower rated players, which is what one would expect, even of Kramnik, Aronian, or Topalov.

And this is not in any way to criticize Anand's games in this tourney. He played well! For many years i have been a Vishi fan. I was routing for him against Kasparov. I'm just saying he needs to demonstrate exceptional performance as in earlier years. But even now he's #5 in the live rating and the FIDE top 100

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  Troller: <PawnSac> I am quite certain that if the regular match is drawn, then it goes to rapid tiebreaks. Carlsen will not retain his title by 6-6 score.

"Quite certain", that is, unless these regulations have been changed suddenly for this match. I have not looked into FIDE's handbook though.

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  PawnSac: Troller, you may be right about that. I don't know the current ruling. Historically a match could be drawn in which the champ retains his title, Though the prize fund was split.

I'm curious now, and will go check.

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  PawnSac: Here is the FIDE ruling:

< Tie - breaks
If the scores are level after the regular twelve (12) games, after a new drawing of colors, four (4) tie - break games shall be played. The games shall be played using the electronic clock starting with 25 minutes for each player with an increment of 10 seconds after each move>

< 3.7.3
If the score is still level after five matches as described in Article 3.7.2, the players shall play a one sudden death game. The player who wins the drawing of lots may choose the color. The player with the white pieces shall receive 5 minutes, the player with the black pieces shall receive 4 minutes whereupon, after the 60th move, both players shall receive an increment of 3 seconds starting from move 61. In case of a draw the player with the black pieces is declared the winner. >

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  PawnSac: <3.7.2
If the scores are level after the games in Article 3.7.1a, then, after a new drawing of colors, a match of 2 games shall be played with a time control of 5 minutes plus 3 seconds increment after each move. In case of a level score, another 2-game match will be played to determine a winner. If still there is no winner after 5 such matches (total 10 games), one sudden-death game will be played as described below in Article 3.7.3.>
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  perfidious: Ugh--I don't like all these rapid games to decide matches of such importance--still have memories of Sokolov buying the farm against Spraggett in their 1988 match in the rapid-play phase.
Sep-19-14  Jay60: <Pawnsac: Historically a match could be drawn in which the champ retains his title, Though the prize fund was split.>

The rules that you found were the same rules in at least the last 3 WCCs. In fact it has been said that Topalov was so afraid to play Anand in the rapid with an even score that he took too many risks and lost the 12th game.

Posters in this forum are generally better informed.

Sep-20-14  1971: One thing I really like going forward for Anand is the study/problem like finish in this game. Powerful opening prep is one thing, but to calculate such a sharp line is a very good sign for his chances. He definitely still has the magic.
Nov-01-14  Gambit86: Daniel King analysis for the end of this game.
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