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Lutz Espig vs Henry Camilleri
Raach Zonal (1969), Raach AUT, rd 20, Nov-02
Sicilian Defense: Dragon Variation. Yugoslav Attack (B78)  ·  1-0

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Jan-01-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  thegoodanarchist: < Tiggler: Happy new year. This problem is busted: 24. ..Re8 is equal. I thought 24. Qxe5 was better, but not really after 25. ..f6>

24.Qxe5 f6 25.Qxd5, no?

But you wrote <25>. ..f6, not <24>. ..f6. So maybe you had a zwischenzug planned in your scenario, or was it a typo?

Jan-01-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Penguincw: < thegoodanarchist: Holy S Batman! The first post to this game, which is 46 years old, comes today! >

As I'm typing this post, the oldest game in the database (in terms of year) that has yet to have kibitzing on it is this game: Philidor vs J Bruehl, 1788, 228 years old.

If any of you want to ruin it by kibitzing on it, go ahead. :) Otherwise, I'll do it in the morning myself (or maybe not).

There is one other <1800 game that has yet to have a kibitzer post anything on it, but I'll let it be discovered on its own.

And on the flip side, the record(s) for newest game(s) without kibitzing would be the 20000+ kibitzless games from 2015. But many have dates, so probably less than that...

Jan-01-16  Tiggler: <thegoodanarchist> Yes, a typo. So after 25. ..f6 25.Qxd5 the attack is over and white has given up the exchange for a pawn.
Jan-01-16  patzer2: <Tiggler: Happy new year. This problem is busted: 24...Re8 is equal> That's right! Black's decisive mistake was 24...Kg8??, allowing mate-in-six or less.

Perhaps the problem could be salvaged by making it Black to move (24...?).

Finding the saving 24... Re8! 25. Rd8 Rc8 26. Qxe5 Rcxd8 27. Qxg7+ Ke7 28. Bg5+ Kd6! 29. Bf4+ Ke7 30. Bg5+ Kd6 31. Bf4+ Ke7 32. Bg5+ = with a draw by perpetual is perhaps a challenge worthy of a Friday puzzle.

As far as the puzzle position (22. ?), the simple 22. Rc1 = seems to be as good as any of White's alternatives.

A pitfall to avoid is 22. f4?? Rxc2 23. Qxc2 Rxc2 24. Kxc2 Bf5+ 25. Kc1 Qc4+ 26. Nc3 Bxc3 27. bxc3 Qxc3#.

Jan-01-16  dfcx: 24.Qxe5 is better than the text Rxd5 defeated by by Re8,

After 24...f6 25.Qxd5 white has B+P against R, giving white a slight edge but hardly a win.

Jan-01-16  mikrohaus: I don't see how White can survive w/o taking the Be5, which is the solution.

It's rather unfortunate that Black doesn't have a saving move somewhere though, because it looks like equal perpetuals otherwise. Black's counterattack is killer, but one move too late here.

Still, it's yet another stark example of the bishop's pinning power being the decisive factor in otherwise equal battles.

Jan-01-16  Sularus: I only managed to get the first move, Rxe5. oh well.
Jan-01-16  morfishine: I had <22.Rxe5> and continued 22...dxe5 23.Qg5 Bxd5 24.Rxd5 and now after <24...f6> found it hard to visualize a winning continuation
Jan-01-16  cocker: Not very satisfactory, as pointed out by <Tiggler>, <dfcx> etc
Jan-01-16  abuzic: 22.Rxe5 dxe5 23.Qg5 Bxd5 24.Qxe5

<24.Rxd5 Re8 should be equal, other moves lose: <(24...f6)> Bxg7+; <(24...Qb6)> Qxe5 25.f6 Bxg7+>

24...f6 25.Qxd5 R4c7 26.Nd4 Re7 the position looks even

Jan-01-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: My new Fritzie 15 is calling this one a bust. Tiggler called it first - 24...Re8 defends against the white attack. I've not chased it all the way to a firm conclusion, but it looks like white's best is to swap off all the pieces to a draw by perpetual check.

Maybe Chessgames can tell us what they hoped we would find in this position?

Happy New Year everyone.

Jan-01-16  engmaged: I thought that 24...f6 would refute the line but 24... f6 25. ♗xg7+ ♔xg7 26. ♖d7+ ♔f8 27. ♕h6+ ♔e8 28. ♕xh7 ♕e6 29. ♖xb7
Jan-01-16  RandomVisitor:


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Komodo-9.3-64bit:

+0.28/33 22.Rc1 Bxd5 23.Qxd5 Kg8 24.g3 Nf5 25.Be3 Ne7 26.Qd1 Nc6 27.a3 Qb5 28.Ka2 d5 29.Qe2 d4 30.Bh6 Bg7 31.Bxg7 Kxg7 32.Kb1 Qd5 33.f4 Na5 34.Nxa5 Qxa5 35.h4 h6 36.Qf2 Qb6 37.f5 d3 38.Qxb6 dxc2+ 39.Rxc2 axb6 40.Rxc4 Rxc4 41.fxg6 Kxg6 42.b3

Jan-01-16  stacase:   <Penguincw ... when I'm lucky, I get the first move ... Yes, I did get lucky today, getting 22.Rxe5 dxe5 and that's it.>

B I N G O !

 

Jan-01-16  mel gibson: I didn't see this one.

The computer gives 24....Kg8 as blunder by Black.

The correct move was 24...Re8
which gives a draw.

Jan-01-16  patzer2: For an alternative Friday puzzle, here's a suggestion for one with Black to move:


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2010.10.26 Arco ITA | 2010.10.28 | De Nisi,G - Jones,B | 0-1

Jan-01-16  patzer2: The solution for the puzzle above is

1... c3 2. bxc3 bxc3 3. Qd1 Bxe2 4. Qxe2 Bxd4+ 5. Kh1 Ne3 (-4.45 @ 21 depth, Deep Fritz 15).

Jan-01-16  patzer2: Here's a simple Black to move puzzle that stumped me this morning:


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The solution is 1...Be7! .

Jan-01-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  agb2002: White has a bishop and a knight for the bishop pair.

Black threatens 22... Rxc2.

The first idea is 22.Rxe5 dxe5 23.Qg5 threatening 24.Qf6, 24.Qe7+ Kg8 25.Qf6 and 24.Nc7 followed by Rd8+ but after 23... Bxd5 24.Qxe5 (24.Rxd5 f6 looks bad for White) 24... f6 25.Qxd5 R4c7 (25... Rxc2 with the double threat 26.Nxc2 and 26.Ne6 looks good for White) White doesn't seem to have enough compensation for the exchange.

Another idea is 23.Nc7 instead of 23.Qg5 but White seems to be lost after 23... R4xc7 (23... R8xc7 24.Qd8#) 24.Qg5 Rd7.

The natural move 22.c3 looks bad after 22... Bf5+ 23.Re4 (23.Ka1 Qxa2+ 24.Kxa2 Ra4#; 23.Kc1 Qxa2 with a considerable advantage for Black) 23... Bxe4+.

I don't know. I'd most probably play 23.Rxe5 otb and cross my fingers.

Happy New Year to everyone!

Jan-01-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  agb2002: It is increasingly difficult to find good collaborators nowadays...
Jan-01-16  mikrohaus: You are all good players -- the kind of people I don't want to face if I need a full point to win a tournament.

However, you are missing reality. White can wear Black down in reality here, but perhaps not in engines.

I already stated my practical side (e.g. craziness that Black might be okay); but, the clock ticks in a real game. Therefore; it's very hard for Black to find moves, once White finds the way.

Sit there, in a real game, and tell me how easy Chess is, which is the point.

Jan-01-16  Sniffles: The entire plan is keeping the black queen out of the action while white sets things up. This doesn't involve forcing moves and relies on a little luck and predictability of black's play style.
Jan-01-16  patzer2: Another alternative Friday puzzle is (White to move):


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2010.11.12 Brighton ENG | 2010.11.13 | Compton,A - Millward,K | 1-0

Solution: 1. Qxd5 exd5 2. e6! a2 (2... Re8 3. e7+ Rxe7 4. Rxe7 a2 5. Re1 ) 3. e7+ Ke8 4. Rg8+ Kf7 5. Rxa8 a1=Q 6. e8=Q+ Kxf6 7. Qh8+ .

Jan-02-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: White pieces gang up on the black king while black's are silent.
Jan-05-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: <mikrohaus: Sit there, in a real game, and tell me how easy Chess is, which is the point.>

The problem with this position is that the game line is a committal move - an exchange sacrifice. If white has miscalculated his advantage then he will have to face a grim endgame trying to hold the draw.

In a blitz or casual game we might give up the exchange with minimal calculation if our instincts and judgement tell us that we are getting enough of an advantage. But in normal time controls we generally want to calculate variations. This could be the turning point of the game - the decisive error by White after which he has no chance to win.

In human mode (with no computer assistance) I couldn't solve this puzzle. I couldn't find a move for White which gave a clear advantage. OTB I would probably have made a quieter move and waited for a better opportunity. I looked at 22. Rxe5 but couldn't make it work.

Sac the exchange anyway with your fingers crossed? That's what Dan Heissman calls "hope chess". There is a place for it - mainly blitz and casual chess or when we have a raging attack. But in a complex position like this one? I think I'd need to see more of an advantage for white before committing to the sac.

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