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| Aug-25-13 | | JoergWalter: Botterill? ok, everyone is entitled to an opinion |
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| Aug-25-13 | | SoUnwiseTheKnight B4: Asa explained to us in the lecture before the simul that he found this move, 13.Ne4 in some obscure book (sorry don't remember which) and evidently Fischer, who Asa described as a bookworm of the highest order, wasn't aware of the book or the move. I think the comment was "the one book bobby didn't go through". |
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| Aug-25-13 | | JoergWalter: <SoUnwiseTheKnight B4: Asa explained to us in the lecture before the simul that he found this move, 13.Ne4 in some obscure book (sorry don't remember which) and evidently Fischer, who Asa described as a bookworm of the highest order, wasn't aware of the book or the move. I think the comment was "the one book bobby didn't go through".> however, he replied h6 which is considered ok by theory. so what happened? |
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Aug-25-13
 | | offramp: <JoergWalter: <offramp> forgive me, still i am in the dark.> I am sorry about that!
Abbie Hoffman, who was a sort of urban terrorist, wrote a book called, rather humorously, <"Steal This Book">. Why would a book-seller have a book called that in his shop?! Anyway; my microscopic conceit was that this A Hoffmannn stole this game in a similar way to the way his namesake asked people to steal his book. It is funnier on film. |
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| Aug-25-13 | | JoergWalter: yes, hollywood will rush out a drama. |
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| Aug-25-13 | | docbenway: The upshot on Steal This Book is that a guy came out shortly after it was published claiming Hoffman ripped the book off him. Yippie-kai-yi-oh. |
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| Aug-25-13 | | SoUnwiseTheKnight B4: <so what happened?> Maybe if someone can track down a copy of 'chess gladiators' they can clear it up. I'm not sure chessgames has this game correct. |
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| Aug-25-13 | | TheFocus: This is the same game-score as in Hoffmann's <Chess Gladiator>. What is your specific question? |
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| Aug-25-13 | | TheFocus: Hffmann wrote, after 13. Ne4!, <Fischer eyed this move with suspicion! Could this be this latest Russian analysis? The move, in fact, is given in only one book I know of, <Common Sense in Chess> Emanuel Lasker. The continuation given: 13...Qxe4 14.Bxf7+ Kf8 15.Bg8 d5 16.exd6 Nxg8 17.Ng5 Qg6 18.Qf7+ Qxf7 19.Nxh7 mate.> |
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| Aug-25-13 | | Everett: Yeah, that obscure Lasker book. Sneaky. |
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| Aug-25-13 | | RookFile: Fischer could have played this like Morphy did, i.e. take the pawn, but give it back to beat back the attack. Such an approach emphasizes time, and in Fischer's games, he usually did emphasize rapid development ("getting there faster"). He did play some defenses like the poisoned pawn Sicilian where you take something and try to hold onto it - evidently that was his mindset for this game. Hey, it is just a blitz game. |
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| Aug-26-13 | | Conrad93: I'm sure Fischer wasn't taking this game too seriously. He liked to play short matches as a way to prepare for more serious games. |
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| Aug-26-13 | | sneaky pete: 
click for larger viewCafferty & Harding, Play the Evans Gambit, first edition (1976) gives the Lasker line and the "improvement" 13... h6! (Keres). The second edition (1997) questionmarks 13.Ne4 .. (13.Bd3 .. is recommended) and gives (after 13.Ne4? ..) the line 13... Qxe4 14.Bxf7+ Kf8 15.Bg8 Qf5 
click for larger viewDr. Lasker, what do we play next? |
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| Aug-26-13 | | SoUnwiseTheKnight B4: <Dr. Lasker, what do we play next?> I think if black takes 13..Qe4 then white grabs the rook with 15.Be8 instead of the mate set up Bg8. |
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| Aug-26-13 | | JoergWalter: <sneaky pete: after 13.Ne4? ..) the line 13... Qxe4 14.Bxf7+ Kf8 15.Bg8 Qf5>
then 16. Nh4 if Qf4 Bc1 and if Qh5 then Rd3. |
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| Aug-27-13 | | JoergWalter: 16.Nh4 Qh5 is probablematic. However, 16.Ng5 should be ok. The knight cannot be taken and threatens Nxh7+ next move. Imo, black is forced to play d5 and the variant continues similar to the Lasker line. |
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| Aug-27-13 | | SoUnwiseTheKnight B4: <JoergW> Yeah you're right 16.Ng5 looks lights out. I kept trying Nh4,Qh5 :) |
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| Aug-27-13 | | sneaky pete: <Dr. Walter> After 13.Ne4 Qxe4 14.Bxf7+ Kf8 15.Bg8 Qf5 16.Ng5 g6
click for larger viewthe black King will find a safe haven (must be a word that the English borrowed from the Dutch) at g7. The problematic 16.Nh4 Qh5 17.Rd3 Nxe5 is probably white's best chance. Poor Fischer, fooled by the swindle of a coffee house player (Dr. Lasker I mean, not Hoffmann, who was just the intermediary). |
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| Mar-28-14 | | Moszkowski012273: This game was part of a session I believe. Fischer was giving him huge odds (they were gambling) and proceeded to win something like the next 20 games in a row. Asa quit ONE game shy of Fischer getting all his money back (from this one loss) so he could honestly say for the rest of his life that he won money blitzing with Bobby Fischer. |
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| May-08-15 | | RookFile: Sounds like Hoffman was a smart man and knew when to quit. |
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| May-08-15 | | MagnusVerMagnus: What a crush, Asa owned Fischer! |
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Jul-12-15
 | | Akhilleus: The source of the line is said to be Lasker's Common Sense in Chess, although I haven't verified this. |
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Jul-12-15
 | | keypusher: <Akhilleus: The source of the line is said to be Lasker's Common Sense in Chess, although I haven't verified this.> If you're unable or unwilling to look at the book, you could at least read the kibitzing on this page. |
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| Jul-13-15 | | DWINS: In the Lasker line, 13...Qxe4 14.Bxf7+ Kf8 15.Bg8, Stockfish 6 agrees that 15...Qf5 is the best move. However, it still loses after 16.Rd3 with threats of Ng5 followed by Rf3. Stockfish gives a White advantage of 4.58. |
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| May-23-18 | | TheBish: Interestingly, the analysis board recommends 14...b5!? after first looking at 14...Nd8 (protecting f7) which seems too passive. The line runs 14...b5 15. Bxb5 Rb8 16. Qa4 a6 17. Bd3 Qe6. |
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