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Vladimir Kramnik vs Levon Aronian
"You've Lost that Levon Feelin'" (game of the day Mar-21-2013)
World Championship Candidates (2013), London ENG, rd 5, Mar-20
Zukertort Opening: Queen Pawn Defense (A06)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Mar-21-13  maxfrank: re Wallekers: I thought that line looked promising while watching the game (without considering e6 much), but then thought that 24Qxf5 seemed better, since it didn't give up the c file. Still just an idea...but isn't your avatar Rimbaud, who worked primarily from inspiration?! I like his poems enough to have set one to music long ago!
Mar-21-13  SuperPatzer77: < b0ch0: 66. h4 instead of g5 ? >

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It is still drawn if 66. h4 - see website link below:

<b0ch0> You can set it up like this above diagram and try 66. h4 instead of 66. g5. It may be transposed to 66. g5.

Well, I thought it might help - <JimfromProvidence> himself gave us this good website link.


Mar-21-13  Diogo Canavarro: That's right <Diademas>! Vlad is an authentic genious, a natural talent and only a moron can call him a dull player. Like <King Radio> i would say that who says this knows nothing about chess.
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  perfidious: <Indigo> Thank you for your plagiarisation of Larsen's old chestnut.
Mar-21-13  Garech: Amazing save by Aronian; great accuracy was required and he played perfectly. It was not your standard "opposite bishops easy draw" situation by any strength. Kudos to big Vlad also, although he did miss some stronger play earlier in the game that may have led to a win.


Mar-21-13  LIFE Master AJ: Kramnik is a true genius ... I have annotated several of his better wins ... the link (below) is but one example ...

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  kevin86: Bishops of opposite colors help passed pawns about as much as sugar helps gas mileage
Mar-21-13  cormier: 37.Bd4 is better, the b2 pawn will be taken
Mar-21-13  cormier: and 52.Bf5 is better again
Mar-21-13  b0ch0: Thanks <SuperPatzer77> that was really helpful =)
Mar-21-13  Robyn Hode: Kramnik might have done better with the d3/Nbd2/e4 lines. Q pawn defenses look inadequate against what essentially becomes an e pawn game.
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  scormus: <Morf .... Kramnik > I agree, Vlad is one of the great survivors. He's like one of the guys who gets hit with some good shots in early rounds, but doesent go down, and eventually he wears his opponents down.
Mar-21-13  amuralid: <morfishine>, I agree. He is a fighter and remarkable theoretician. He still has a chance.

Tidbit: 3 out of my favorite 5 chess moments of the last decade are courtesy of Vlad. Game 10 London, Game 14 in Brissago and the tie breaker in Elista.

Mar-21-13  bishopone: I have almost the same opinion with kibiters who says that Kramnik still remain a true genious, a top 5 player. Maybe he cant win today, but his force is obvious for any oponent. I suspect that nowadays he's the only one who can win a match against M Carlsen. Anand havent any motivation and I guess he cant hold Carlsen in a future WorldChampion match. Kramnik havent any complex with any player, except maybe Anand. So I like to see in the future a WorldChampion match between Carlsen (next champion) and Kramnik (hope next chalenger). I remain a Kramnik fan for this tournament but is hard for him to catch Carlsen and Aronian. Anyway, this game is a masterpice.
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  AylerKupp: Position after 23...Nd8:

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Kramnik would not have had an "almost forced" win at move 24 following <Willem Wallekers>'s 24.Rxc8 Rxc8[] 25.Qxf5 Rc7 (the best move per Critter 1.6a, evaluating it at [+1.85], d=29) 26.e6 fxe6[] 27.Qh5 Bf8[] (if 27...g6 28.Qe5 and 29.Bh6) 28.Be4 since after 28...dxe4 the Black queen is protected by the Pb6 so White is just down a piece without compensation:

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Apparently this was hard to notice since several people seemed to have missed it. But if instead of 28.Be5 White plays 28.Qe8 then Critter evaluates the resulting position at [+2.18], d=29 after 28...Nf7[] 29.Qxe6 Re7 30.Qf5 g6 31.Qf6 Qa7 32.Bxd5 Qd7 33.Qf3 Qf5 34.Qxf5 gxf5 35.Bg5 Rc7 36.Rxf5 Bg7 37.Rf4 h6 38.Bd8 Rd7 39.Bxf7+ Rxf7 40.Bxb6 and White is 2 pawns up and all his pawns are protected:

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This position looks like a clear win for White and most of Black's moves in this line seem forced. I would therefore say that, yes, Kramnik had a forced win at move 24 rather than an "almost forced" win. So <Willem Wallekers> was certainly on the right track.

However, for Kramnik or anyone else to see this at move 24 would be impossible (it took Critter almost 9 hours on my computer) so it would have had to be a leap of faith. I don't know if the Kramnik of Round 4 (this game) would have played it but I suspect that the Kramnik of Round 6 (Kramnik vs Ivanchuk, 2013) might have.

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  WannaBe: Medley and Hatfield are not 'amused'. =)
Mar-22-13  RookFile: A wonderful defensive effort by Aronian.
Mar-22-13  csmath: Aronian was very lucky here.

But this is also a requiem for Kramnik. If he cannot convert these positions then he is out of contention. His chances now depend on beating Carlsen and that is not something to count on.

Mar-22-13  Hesam7: <csmath: Aronian was very lucky here.

But this is also a requiem for Kramnik. If he cannot convert these positions then he is out of contention. His chances now depend on beating Carlsen and that is not something to count on.>

The tournament is over for Kramnik, it is not just Carlsen, Aronian is at +3 too. I think Kramnik's preparation has been the problem, against Svidler, Grischuk and Ivanchuk his opening did not go so well, and at this level that puts you at a big disadvantage.

Mar-22-13  Valmy: It is difficult to say if this is over for KRAMNIK. There are still 8 games to play. But yes, CARLSEN and ARONIAN are clear favorite.
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  ketchuplover: 41.Bd2 still looks fairly good to me.
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  harrylime: Cool game by Aronian to draw this. I'm impressed.
Mar-28-13  LIFE Master AJ:

This is another game of Kramnik's that I have thoroughly analyzed.

I used to have a web page on just Kramnik, but I think it was on GeoCities ... they closed most of that down several years back.

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  Everett: My, have things have changed.
Apr-01-13  LIFE Master AJ: Both of these games (involving Kramnik and Aaronian in this Candidates Tournament) seemed to be (mostly) in Kramnik's favor ...
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