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Magnus Carlsen vs Sergey Karjakin
Tata Steel Group A (2013), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 8, Jan-20
King's Indian Attack: Yugoslav Variation (A07)  ·  1-0



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  Jimfromprovidence: <LAK> <However, in the last position you posted, and without Stockfish's aid, so this could be flawed, I believe that the e-pawn is immune after 79 Rc6 Bh6+ 80 Kg4. If 80... Rxe5,...>

I agree with your analysis that the e pawn is immune so after 79 Rc6 Bh6+ 80 Kg4 I am assuming 80...Bf8 to protect the c pawn and to give the king access to h6.

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The way forward is still unclear, maybe 81 Rc7+ Kh6 82 Rc8!?

Feb-09-14  LIFE Master AJ: I covered ...Re1, see above.

I spent over six hours on those variants, should cover most aspects.

Feb-10-14  LAK: <Jimfromprovidence><79 Rc6 Bh6+ 80 Kg4 Bf8 ... maybe 81 Rc7+ Kh6 82 Rc8!?> Nice move! I would think that Black's only choice is to go after the Bc4, which must find shelter somewhere, and at the same time impede the black pawns from advancing. Otherwise, as an example, there's the nice variation 82. ... Rc1 83. RxB RxB, and now say 84. e6 d3+ 85. Kf3 Rd4, and Black queens with check.

<LIFE Master AJ><I covered ...Re1> Please elaborate how that pertains to the concrete position under discussion: 76. Bg8+ Kh8 77. Kf4 Re1 78. Bc4 Kh7 79. Rc6 Bh6+ 80. Kg4 Bf8 81. Rc7+ Kh6 (which, by the way, is the primary line given by Stockfish.) You provide 79. ... d3.

Feb-10-14  LAK: Sigh! Instead of 84. e6, as I stated above, 84. f6 with, at some point, Kf5 creates mate threats against the Black King from a subsequent Rh8+. This gives sufficient time for White to decisively promote his e-pawn.
Feb-11-14  LIFE Master AJ:

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Looks stupid to me, Black is forced to lose several tempi with this insipid move.

80.Kg4 Bf8;
Otherwise White takes on c5 and it looks like that Black might be dropping both Pawns.

81.Rc7+! Kh6; 82.Kf4!,
At all costs, White should avoid putting both of his Pawns on light squares ... then many positions are drawn, due to a simple dark-square blockade.

(Just plain bad would be:
</= 82.e6? Re4+; 83.Kf3 Re3+; 84.Kg2 Kg5; ∞)

82...Rc1; 83.Be2! Re1;

Black can do little positive, if he pushes his c-Pawn, it is immediately lost.

84.Bf3 c4;
All the engines want to play this move. The reason? White's threat is very simple. Play f5-f6. then Be4. In response to Rook checks, the WK simply marches over to h4, then Black is in a mating web, and has to give up major material to prevent Rh7#.

85.Rxc4 d3; 86.Rc8 Ba3; 87.f6 Rf1; 88.Rd8 Kg6; 89.Rxd3

Unless Black can find a a perpetual check, White's two extra Pawns should win.)

Feb-11-14  LIFE Master AJ: The analysis - above - was checked done with Fritz 13, but checked with Deep Shredder and Houdini.
Feb-11-14  john barleycorn: <Feb-08-14
LIFE Master AJ:
I will analyze this with Fritz 13 - later on today - and post my results.>

you don't mean your results, right?

Feb-11-14  cormier: 9...Bxf3 is not good
Feb-12-14  LIFE Master AJ: If you want to analyze this game, feel free to stop by my forum ...
Feb-12-14  john barleycorn: <Feb-12-14
LIFE Master AJ: If you want to analyze this game, feel free to stop by my forum ...>

how can i when i am on ignore? remember, i sponsored your page? very ungrateful for a christian, isn't it?

Feb-12-14  MarkFinan: <how can i when i am on ignore? remember, i sponsored your page? very ungrateful for a christian, isn't it?>

It's extremely ungrateful JB. But he probably thinks that you'll be asking questions about Max or Miles, and we know he can't answer those kinda questions, lol. Why would anyone want to analyze this game there anyway, when this game has this page to discuss it!?

Feb-12-14  LIFE Master AJ: All I can say is ... if you are on my ignore list, you wanted to be there. (If not, you would have acted with at least a degree of caution, normalcy, and civility.)

Some people have said that some persons are incapable of real change. This is false, as <Colonel Mortimer> and I have buried the hatchet, put our differences behind us and now are on good terms. (Sure, we don't see eye-to-eye on every issue, but all our discussions are very civil and he has been more than nice to me ... and I want to take this chance to publicly thank him ... from the bottom of my heart.)

You demonstrated - over and over again - hostility, cruelty, threw out insults on a nearly daily basis, etc. You continuously violated the 4 rules here for kibitzing. You acted like a troll and then you were treated like one. (Rather than opt for open warfare, I simply placed you on ignore and have done my best to forget about you completely.)

Zero sympathy from me. QED

Feb-12-14  john barleycorn: happy birthday
Feb-12-14  MarkFinan: Lol 😃
Feb-14-14  LIFE Master AJ: Yes, my analysis looks good, so far, no one has shown me anything that clearly refutes it.
Mar-01-14  SpiritedReposte: Talk about a grind.

<LifeMasterSuperFly> is one hand clapping over here. *pat* *pat* good job champ.

Apr-17-14  Jambow: This game looks more like Karpov than Karpov's own games.
Aug-29-14  kontoleon: 81)... Rc2?? i thing this is the error of the game?
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  beenthere240: Looks like an exciting WC match. Or a tedious one.
Apr-10-16  The Kings Domain: Karjakin better make sure a game like this doesn't become the blueprint for the match this November if he wants to win the crown. The gradual, step by step ladder to victory is one of Carlsen's hallmarks and this game is a prime example of that.
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  keypusher: <kontoleon: 81)... Rc2?? i thing this is the error of the game?>

No, it was over by then. E.g. 81....Rc1 (with the idea 82.Rg1+ Kh6 83.Rxc1 Bh6+) 82.Kd4 Ba3 (82....d2 Rg2+) 83.f7 d2 84.Rg2+ Kh6 85.Rxd2 Rf1 86.Be6 Rf4+ 87.Ke3 and White wins. Or 81....Bh6+ 82.Kd4 d2 and now either 83.Kxc3 or 83.Rg1+ win -- the latter move actually forces mate in six, as Patzer2 posted up above.

Jul-10-17  The Boomerang: Game of the day please!
Dec-21-17  posoo: I ALSO sugest dis for GAME OF DA DAY and wil EVEN NOMANATE A FEW TITULTOS!


2). DREAM DA IMPOSABLE DREAM (could substitute ZEE FOR DA) (Corus!)

3). Kar Kar Thinks

4). wijk an ZEES NUTS

Feb-17-18  cormier:

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Analysis by Houdini 4

9...Nc5 10.Ne5 Be6 11.d4 Ncd7 12.h3 Qb6 13.Bg5 h6 14.Be3 0-0 15.Rad1 Rad8 16.f4 Nxe5 17.fxe5 Nd7 18.Kh2 Rfe8 19.a3 Kh8 20.Bf4 Qa5 21.Bd2 Qb6 22.Bc1 Rf8 23.Bf4 Rfe8 24.Rf2 a5 25.h4 = (0.13) Depth: 30 dpa

Feb-17-18  cormier: New game

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Analysis by Houdini 4:d 30 dpa

1. = (0.00): 43...Kg7 44.Kg2 Rd7 45.Kh3 Nc3 46.e3 Re7 47.exd4 cxd4 48.Rbb4 Na2 49.Rb2 Nc3 50.Rbb4 Na2

2. + / = (0.39): 43...Be7 44.a5 Nb4 45.Bxb4 cxb4 46.axb6 Rdxb6 47.Rxd4 Ra1+ 48.Kg2 Ra2 49.Rc4 Rd2 50.Rc8+ Kg7 51.Rc7 Bd6 52.Ra7 Bc5 53.Rd7 Kf8 54.Rd5 Be7 55.Ra5 Bf6 56.e3 Bc3 57.d4 Re6 58.Kf1 Rf6 59.Be2 Re6 60.Rb1 Kg7 61.Ra8 Bxd4 62.Rxb4 Bc5 63.Rbb8 Rc6

3. + / = (0.46): 43...Rd8 44.Rb5 Be7 45.a5 bxa5 46.Ra4 Nc3 47.Raxa5 Rxa5 48.Rxa5 Kg7 49.Bf4 f6 50.Ra7 Kf7 51.Kg2 Ke6 52.Ra6+ Kf7 53.Ra5 Ke6 54.Ra7 Re8 55.Ra6+ Kf7 56.Rc6 Rd8 57.Rc7 Ke6 58.Kf1 Re8 59.Rc6+ Kf7 60.Kg2 Rd8

no 43...Nc3 yet .....

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