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Levon Aronian vs Vladimir Kramnik
London Chess Classic (2012), London ENG, rd 6, Dec-07
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. l'Hermet Variation Berlin Wall Defense (C67)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Dec-07-12  Conrad93: 55.f5 wins.
Dec-07-12  Conrad93: These patzers missed 55.f5
Dec-07-12  Conrad93: 58.f4!
Dec-07-12  OneArmedScissor: Kramnik will win.
Dec-07-12  Conrad93: 62...Bf6!
Dec-07-12  Cemoblanca: Thanks CG mate! ;)
Dec-07-12  haydn20: 55. f5 is not a possible move. If 55....f5 then 56. Bg5 Bxg5 57. hxg5 f4 58. Ke2 and Black can make no progress.
Dec-07-12  Conrad93: Sorry, Haydn. I checked your line an it's faulty.

Maybe next time.

Dec-07-12
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  AylerKupp: <Conrad93> Would you care to tell us how it's faulty? After all, that's what you ask others to do when it's your line that they are disagreeing with. Or does a different set of rules apply to you than to everyone else?
Dec-07-12  Conrad93: After Bg5, black takes the bishop and still retains a superior position.
Dec-07-12  Conrad93: This is a fact: Bd8 is far superior.
Dec-07-12  Cemoblanca: Levon swims in Vladimir's water. Will that go well? 62...Bf6!? 63.Nd4+ Kd5! 64.Nb5! Bh5 & we are moving towards the Zugzwang!
Dec-07-12  Cemoblanca: OK, Vlad goes the other way around! ;)
Dec-07-12  haydn20: <Conrad93: 62...Bf6!> fails to the obvious 63. Nxd4+ followed by Nxf5, after which White can sac a piece for the c Pawn and Black doesn't have enough material to mate.
Dec-07-12  Cemoblanca: 65.Kd3? Oh man! 65...Bg6! 66.Ke2 Bxf5!? 67.Kxe1 & now 67...Bg4!
Dec-07-12
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Dec-07-12  Cemoblanca: 68.Bg7 Kc4 69.f5! Bxf5 70.Kd1! & the pawn is under control! Well done! Thanks again for broadcasting! :)
Dec-07-12  haydn20: <Cemoblanca: 65.Kd3? Oh man! 65...Bg6! 66.Ke2 Bxf5!? 67.Kxe1 & now 67...Bg4! > 68. Bb4 Kd4 29. Bxc3 and see my previous note. This should have been obvious to you two GM's, so I guess you're just having a bad day.
Dec-07-12
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  AylerKupp: <Cemoblanca> And after 65.Kd3 Bg6 66.Ke2 Bxf5 67.Kxe1 Bg4 68.Bg7 Kc4 even simpler than 69.f5 Bxf5 70.Kd1 is 69.Bxc3.
Dec-07-12
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  Diademas: Paradoxically: this draw made Kramnik pass Aronian on the live rating.
Dec-07-12  Cemoblanca: <haydn20: <Cemoblanca: 65.Kd3? Oh man! 65...Bg6! 66.Ke2 Bxf5!? 67.Kxe1 & now 67...Bg4! > 68. Bb4 Kd4 29. Bxc3 and see my previous note. This should have been obvious to you two GM's, so I guess you're just having a bad day.>

I never said I'm a GM dude & therefore: To err is only human! This also applies for the large majority of the GM's out there! ;) Take it easy!

Dec-07-12  Atking: <Diademas: Paradoxically: this draw made Kramnik pass Aronian on the live rating.> Well this game shows him superior. It's Black who tried to win here.
Dec-08-12  Ulhumbrus: One justification for 11 Ng5 is that on 11..Be6 12 Nxe6 removes Black's bishop pair.
Dec-09-12  mjkE4: Black's move of BF6 on move 60 looks interesting, comments?
Dec-15-12  Hesam7: It is worth noting that engines really like <34...Bg6>


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The idea is to cover the e8-square since Re8 is slightly annoying. <35 Re3 Kb7> here 35...Rd7? 36 Ne4 would have handed the initiative to White. <36 Bh2 Nc2 37 Re2 Nb4 38 f4 Bc2 39 Ne3 Nd3 40 Kf1 Nc1 41 Re1 Nb3 42 Nb3 Bb3 43 f5 Rd7>


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This seems like a technical win for Black: Rd4-c6-b5 is already not easy to meet so White has to generate counterplay on the K-side and so on.

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