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Vladimir Kramnik vs Georg Meier
Dortmund Sparkassen (2012), Dortmund GER, rd 9, Jul-22
Tarrasch Defense: Symmetrical Variation (D32)  ·  1-0

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Aug-09-13
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  mjmorri: Maybe Meier was hoping Kramnik would settle for a draw by repetition with 23.Nc7. After 23.Bd6 Black really has no chance against a player of Kramnik's capabilities.
Aug-09-13  estrick: Black just rolled over with 23. ...Re8??
It's as if he were exposing his soft underbelly to a hungry predator and saying "Come get me."

Where was the counter punch? Meier had no fight in him.

Aug-09-13
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  chrisowen: Aim duty free now bind credible rooke8 dips it head,

in c4 federal express train back from there on in a,

joggle f7 calm good sense a wave in blew 24.Bxf7+,

aka engine room 5h a couple formulate nearly the bequeathed jar head finding to hoofed in xray,

24.Bxf7+ possible since after f6 and e5 indeed gander done white steed in curious again effect c7,

and b5 becomes his targets culpa e6 lame decision,

freeing e5 mind the gap c3 lop in d5 and gets,

chased around the houses life banal for Meier dutifuls in e8 slided engage be boat sailed bishops,

command over straight f8 instead cadence ogle am,

get 23...be6 ore change up ride a lion to etc,

23...nxb5 wind duplicate sac rook and look to winch,

a d4 as unassailable after d8xd1 recind bishop to lug 23...nxb5 24.Bxf8 Qxd1 25.rexd1 Kxf8 26.Bxb5.

Be6 pawn delve in b3 lieu cresting b5 advantage st,

nip end ate 23...be6 24.Bxf8 Kxf8 25.Bxe6 nxe6 even,

better selection free gain dug in e6 and c6 ground,

covered d8 ignoble yes now in feeble backing f8,

took mid-knight runners.

Aug-09-13
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  kevin86: White end this one with an old fashioned bishop sac at f7. Then the army takes over the city.
Aug-09-13  thegoldenband: <al wazir: The first three moves were easy to find, but the win isn't so obvious after 29...Qxc7 30. Bxc7 Rxe1+ 31. Kf2>

Er, why not 31. Qxe1? Looks good to me. The win won't be instant, but Q+P vs. R+N on an open board should be the proverbial "matter of technique".

Aug-09-13  BOSTER: Yesterday <Shams> wrote <Ijust can't get Lantier's position>. I'd expllain this with great pleasure, but he sent his comments when discussion already was over, and <CG> strict "rules" don't allow to explain it today, when we have another <POTD>. <Shams> I didn't notice the quotation marks. This is my fault.
BTW, how to play if black played 23...a6 instead 23...Re8.
Aug-09-13
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  Jimfromprovidence: My move is 27 Nc7!?, with the threat of 28 Nd5+ and forced mate to follow.


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Aug-09-13  Alex56171: I got the three first moves of the game only.
Aug-09-13
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  Once: <BOSTER... and <CG> strict "rules" don't allow to explain it today>

Ah, my friend, I think you misunderstand the nature of time and space as they pertain to POTDs. Strap on your seatbelt, extinguish your cigarettes and return your seat tray to the upright position, and allow the stewardesses (aka petit moi) to explain where the exits are and how to fix your lifejacket with the straps tied in a double bow on the left.

Never on the right ... odd, that.

You see a POTD is both a time and space and a time and space. All four, one after the other. Sometimes six.

First the game of chess is played. two players sit down, chew pencils, push wood. That is a moment in time, a page in history, a brief snapshot in actuality. Today's POTD happened in Dortmund in 2012, apparently. A point in time.

Then CG publish that game on the database. And suddenly the moment in time is also a place, a gathering of electrons on internet servers, a page not in history but on a website. Today's POTD is page 1672601 in the CG game database. Also apparently. No longer a snapshot in time, now a snapshot in space.

Then CG deem it to be the POTD. An arbitrary choice, perhaps, but it gathers together kibitzers from all over the world. A 24 hour coming together of human consciousness, a gathering, a mini tribe of like-minded folk. And when that happens, the snapshot in space becomes a snapshot in time. This is the POTD for Friday 9 August 2013. Another name, another identity.

But wait ... there is at least another transformation to come. When the sun finally sets on Friday 9 August 2013, the page reverts to being a point in space. We are back to good old game ID 1672601. We can still comment on it, can still converse, can still hold a debate.

CG rules don't forbid it. It's just that most people have moved on, blithely accepting the continual flip-flop of the time-space continuum. And repeat if we ever make this game a POTD again.

In the unlikely event of landing on water ... the best boy in the world has just told me how much the internet weighs. Apparently, if you add up all the electrons which form the internet it would total one medium sized strawberry.

For which I think we should all be very grateful.

Aug-09-13  cyclon: All I could find today is 24. Bxf7+ Kxf7 25. Qh5+ g6 26. Qxh7+ Kf6 27. Nc7 Ne2+ ( 27. -Rxe1+ 28. Rxe1 and the threat is powerful 29. Nd5+ - 28. -Qxd6+? 29. Ne8+ ) 28. Rxe2 Rxe2 29. Nd5+ Kf5 ( 29. -Kg5 30. h4+ leads to same and 29. -Ke6 30. Nf4+ wins also slightly slower; 30. -Kxd6 [ 30. -Kf5 31. Qxg6X ] 31. Rd1+ and 32. Rxd8 cause Re2 is en prise - White takes g6-pawn, he got material and development edge plus connected passed-pawns on the King-side. Outcome is clear. ) 30. Qf7+ Ke4 31. Qf3+ Kd4 32. Rc4X. Really quite difficult Puzzle. Let's see.
Aug-09-13  Shams: <BOSTER> I saw it-- no worries, mate.
Aug-09-13  cyclon: Marvellous by Kramnik! I rejected 27. Nxd4 - the game - line after a glance. I don't know about my line. It's great to see this kind of play.
Aug-09-13  Alex56171: <Jimfromprovidence: My move is 27 Nc7!?, with the threat of 28 Nd5+ and forced mate to follow> It is Fritz 11 SE move too. But no mate on the next eleven moves (with Depth=19).
Aug-09-13  Patriot: 24.Bxf7+ has to be winning.

24...Kxf7 25.Qh5+ g6 26.Qxh7+ Kf6 and it seems to get a bit tricky. Perhaps 27.Rf1+ but I'm out of time.

Aug-09-13  ajile: I didn't have a board but the simple Rxe8 Qxe8, Nc7 Qe3+, Kh1 Rb8, Nd5! seems to win material since both rook and queen are attacked. But maybe I'm missing something?
Aug-09-13
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  Jimfromprovidence: <Alex5671><It is Fritz 11 SE move too. But no mate on the next eleven moves (with Depth=19).>

It's cool that both the text 27 Nxd4 and the alternative 27 Nc7 are winning.

I guess that shows how precarious black's position was.

In the text 27 Nxd4 works because it necessarily comes before Qh4+.

27 Qh4+? first is no good because black's c6 knight still protects against Be5+. So after 27 Qh4+? black's king escapes with 27...Kg7, below.


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With the alternative 27 Nc7, below, white takes advantage of black's exposed king by threatening 28 Nd5+.


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It might seem that 27...Ne2+, forking king and rook works for black but it does not. White simply plays 28 Rxe2, seeing 28...Rxd2 29 Nd5+.


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Black's only playable move is 29...Ke6, then white wins after 30 Nf4+ Kxd6 (only move) 31 Rd1+.


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Aug-09-13  BOSTER: <Once> <I think you misunderstand the nature of time and space as they pertain to POTD>.

If I understood <the nature of time and space> even without any connection to <POTD>, I'd never play chess. Here you are right.

Aug-09-13  MostlyWatch: <Once> A guy came into our lab, wanted to know the mass of the software. MASS OF THE SOFTWARE??!! Yep, no typo. He had a parts list for the entire spacecraft, and he was going around getting the mass of every item on the list, so they could figure launch mass, etc. The parts list was generated from the spacecraft program documents, and it included "Software, spacecraft, v. 3.4" something like that, with a spot for the mass. Well, the guys tried to tell him zero, but his computer wouldn't accept a zero there. So they calculated how much charge was required to store one bit in the ROM, and how many bits the SW had, and viola! a number like 1.1 x 10^-15 grams or something. The guy put that in and the computer took it and he went away and SW continued.
Aug-09-13  Dr. J: There still has been no discussion of how White gain any advantage after 27...Rxe1+ 28. Rxe1 Qxd6 <al wazir: 29. Rf1+ Bf5, and now if 30. Nxf5 then 30...Qc5+ followed by 31...gxf5>
Aug-10-13  psmith: <Dr. J>... <al wazir>'s line runs into 30...Qc5+ 31. Ne3+ (WITH CHECK) winning (Rybka).
Aug-10-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  Once: <MostlyWatch> That's a great story - more so because I can just picture how it might happen. If it says on the form that we need the mass of the software, we need the mass of the software.

Honestly, you couldn't make it up.

At the risk of jumping down another tangent, many years ago a work colleague became pregnant and was sent a standard form to fill in by the hospital. It didn't take long for her to realise that the questions had been copied over from another, more general, form. Things like: "Are you male or female?", "Do you know when this condition started?" and "Do you know what caused this condition?"

Blessed are the form-makers.

Aug-10-13  bubuli55: 27...Rxe1 28.Rxe1 Qxd6

29.Qh8+

If 29...Kg5 runs into mate

If 29...Kf7 30.Qe8+ Kf6 31.Rf1+ Bf5 32.Nxf5!

Aug-11-13  bubuli55: <Dr. J: There still has been no discussion of how White gain any advantage after 27...Rxe1+ 28. Rxe1 Qxd6 > 29.Qh8+

If 29...Kg5 runs into mate

29...Kg5 30.Nf3+ < Kg4 31.Qh4+ Kf5 32.Qg5# > 30...Kf5 31.g4+! < Kxg4 32.Qh4+ Kxf3 33.Qe4# > 31...Kf4 32.Qh6+ Kxf3 33.Qe3+ Kxg4 34.h3+ Kh4 35.Qh6+ Kg3 36.Re3#

Aug-11-13  bubuli55: <Dr. J: There still has been no discussion of how White gain any advantage after 27...Rxe1+ 28. Rxe1 Qxd6 >

29.Qh8+

If 29... Kf7 30.Qe8+ Kf6 31.Rf1+ Bf5 32.Nxf5 Qc5+ 33.Qe3 wins. If 32...Rxe8 33.Nxd6+ Ke7 34.Nxe8 wins

Aug-11-13  bubuli55: < Dr. J: There still has been no discussion of how White gain any advantage after 27...Rxe1+ 28. Rxe1 Qxd6 > 29.Qh8+ Kg7 30.Nxc6 +\-
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