May-18-18
 | | Phony Benoni: "American Chess Bulletin", September 1905, p. 290, adds a few moves at the end: <36.g5 Rxh4 37.Kf2 Rf4+ 38.Kg3 Rxf5 39.Kg4 Ke6> |
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Aug-01-18
 | | sachistu: Anyone have a copy of the Scheveningen 1905 tournament book (Vierde Internationale Schaakwedstrijd) by H.D.B. Meijer? My copy is missing pages 81-82. Page 81 is cited in the Contents section as the location of the Loman-Spielmann game score. |
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Aug-08-18
| | sachistu: Tony Gillam was kind enough to send the missing pages. The tournament book stops after 35...Re5. No mention is made of the additional moves found in the American Chess Bulletin. Perhaps Helms received the moves from another (Dutch?) source. |
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| Aug-08-18 | | zanzibar: <sachistu> can you perhaps publish the missing pages somewhere? If you can't, would you consider forwarding them to me so I could? This aspect of "open source" chess research is/was missing from <CG>, and was part of impetus for my Bistro post the other day. As Charlie Parker says, "Now's the Time"! |
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Aug-09-18
| | sachistu: Hello <zanzbar>. I just sent a message to the Bistro (or at least I hope that is where it went!). Site was acting normally until I tried to send this kibitz. Seems back to 'normal' now. |
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| Aug-15-18 | | zanzibar: Thanks to both <sachistu> and Gillam, here's both versions of the game: https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2018... . |
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Aug-16-18
| | sachistu: Thanks <zanzibar> |
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| Aug-16-18 | | Retireborn: <sachistu, z> Thanks to both you gentlemen I've been able to add this game to my annotated collection. Of interest is that Loman repeated his 9.c3 variation a few years later, with no better result:- Loman vs Alekhine, 1913 It's awful cheek, but I wonder if p83 of the TB (or the notes thereon) could also be reproduced? I'd be very interested to see the further annotations to Spielmann-Swiderski, as it seems that Spielmann agreed to a draw in a position that is winning for him (69.a5!) |
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Aug-16-18
| | sachistu: No problem <zanzibar>. Will do. |
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| Aug-17-18 | | zanzibar: Thanks should go to you, <sachistu>. I just found a backlog of messages to process, that my mail filter put into the wrong folder. Thought you might see this here first, and I'll ping you back. I'll try to get an update out tomorrow after errands! . |
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Aug-18-18
| | sachistu: No worries <z> I sent additional updates. |
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| Aug-30-18 | | zanzibar: <Retireborn> good news, thanks to the generous help and efforts of <sachistu>, https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2018... Now includes a link to p83 for the end of the Spielmann--Swiderski game. And there's an added bonus - a good scan of the group photograph from the tournament book - yippie! Many thanks to <sachistu> from us all! |
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| Aug-30-18 | | Retireborn: <z> Many thanks, and to <sachistu> too. Re: the photograph, Marshall is instantly recognizable, but Spielmann is not! It seems the game is annotated by Spielmann himself, and in the final note he admits missing 69.a5 because it was 10 o'clock (he was exhausted?) and says he thereby compromised his chances for the Master title. I assume he would have had to win the tournament to be recognised as a master, or was there any other mechanism for dishing out titles back then? |
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Sep-01-18
| | sachistu: Hi <Retireborn>. It looks like I sent the reply to your Aug 16 post to <z>, but it got to you anyway, so all's well. According to Meijer's foreward, the drawn games were annotated by the White players, and the rest by the winners. This tracks with the Spielmann-Swiderski game. I cannot answer your question regarding title requirements back then. Perhaps there is another <CG> user who has researched that sort of thing. However, it looks like Spielmann was 3 points behind Marshall by the end of round 9, so winning the tournament seems pretty much out of the question
even though he did score 3.5 out of the remaining 4 games. It would have taken a complete collapse by Marshall, who was basically crushing the field, finishing with 11.5 out of 13. |
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| Sep-02-18 | | Retireborn: <sachistu> Yes, many thanks again. It's difficult to know what Spielmann meant by his "compronised" remark; perhaps he simply meant he had to finish amongst the prize winners to be recognised as a strong player, and Swiderski was close to him in the table. |
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Sep-02-18
| | sachistu: Yes, that makes sense <Retireborn>. |
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Kibitzing
sac: 14...Nd4